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re: It apears the initial quality level of the 2019 Ram is not as high as one would hope
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:57 pm to weadjust
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:57 pm to weadjust
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Same can be said for any year make model car/truck forum
I didn’t notice OP linked a forum. The forums basically exist for people to talk performance and issues with their vehicles. Like you said, go to any forum and you’ll find multiple threads of people having issues.
OP should link some articles and independent reviews highlighting issues and it’d be more of a leg to stand on.
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Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:01 pm to jordan21210
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But they still took it.
No, they didn’t receive one dime of TARP money.
Chrysler and GM were on failed business models. Ford was in a better spot, financially speaking, due to prior cuts.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:07 pm to dallastiger55
GMC, Ford, Toyota (in whatever order you like).....................
Ram
Ram
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:07 pm to jordan21210
they’ve been working out bugs for 60 years now
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:08 pm to jordan21210
I bought a 2007 Tahoe when they were in their first year of new build. Never again! I will wait a year or two to let the kinks get worked out! That Tahoe single handedly guaranteed I will never own a GM product EVER again!
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:13 pm to hesterhamma
I will never get people that become brand homers over their trucks
I have owned a Chevy, Ford, and Ram
Chevy and Rams were both fantastic, the Ford was shite
When I’m in the market for a new truck again, I will shop them all
I have owned a Chevy, Ford, and Ram
Chevy and Rams were both fantastic, the Ford was shite
When I’m in the market for a new truck again, I will shop them all
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:16 pm to tankyank13
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No, they didn’t receive one dime of TARP money.
Government money is government money.
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Ford TV ad slams competitors for accepting bailout funds, even though the company’s CEO lobbied for the bill. The company — the only one of the Big Three not to receive a bailout — feared a collapse of GM and Chrysler at the time would have hurt suppliers and, in turn, Ford itself. Ford Chief Executive Officer Alan R. Mulally also asked Congress for a “credit line” of up to $9 billion in case the economy worsened.
In other words, Ford was for government bailouts before it was against them.
Although Ford did not need money from the $80 billion bailout program, Ford did receive $5.9 billion in government loans in 2009 to retool its manufacturing plants to produce more fuel-efficient cars, and the company lobbied for and benefited from the cash-for-clunkers program — contrary to the ad’s testimonial that Ford is “standing on their own.”
LINK
Also, does it matter who takes what if it’s paid back? Chrysler paid back the loan plus interest much earlier than required and has gained market share year over year since 2008/09, fwiw.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:21 pm to weagle99
as someone who deals with FCA daily, no one in my family will ever own one of their vehicles.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:31 pm to jordan21210
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Although Ford did not need money from the $80 billion bailout program, Ford did receive $5.9 billion in government loans in 2009 to retool its manufacturing plants to produce more fuel-efficient cars,
So the EPA sets extreme standards for cleaner more efficient cars, get with the program or else you will be fined out business.
The Energy Department offers loans to retool your facility in order to meet those standards. All three recieved those same energy loans.
That’s part of having govt require you to build cars no one wants. Nothing to do with a tarp bailout.
Eta
The loans were critical because banks weren’t loaning at the time
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:33 pm to Damone
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LOL, a $65k Ram truck with a shite “premium” sound system
Brah, the Harman Kardon sound system is nothing to laugh at. Audi’s have them as well as other luxury cars. System is bad arse. Best sound I’ve heard of any other stock so you obviously haven’t had much experience.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:36 pm to tankyank13
Exactly! Another reason I see the guts of 250s laying on the ground after warranty is out. Nobody wants that truck held back by everything the EPA requires. bullshite. And yea, I was gonna say, ford took that money bc of the requirements by the EPA to build vehicles to make tree huggers happy.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:47 pm to summersausage
Settle down baw, your truck nuts are showing
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:50 pm to tankyank13
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So the EPA sets extreme standards for cleaner more efficient cars, get with the program or else you will be fined out business. The Energy Department offers loans to retool your facility in order to meet those standards. All three recieved those same energy loans. That’s part of having govt require you to build cars no one wants. Nothing to do with a tarp bailout. Eta The loans were critical because banks weren’t loaning at the time
Doesn’t matter, it’s still a government loan no matter which way you spin it. I don’t fault Ford for taking it, nor do I fault GM and Chrysler. If it’s there, take it...just make sure to pay it back. I just get annoyed with the “Ford didn’t take government money” narrative, it frankly is not true.
Also, did you see the part where Ford lobbied for the bailouts? Mulally wanted them to happen because he knew without them Ford would suffer...and then doubled down for a just in case line of credit.
Anyway, I’m done. Said my piece. Bottom line is: brand homerism is dumb, Ford took government money, all of the trucks/brands are good, and Internet forums are awful reference points for vehicle reliability.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 11:02 pm to jordan21210
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Doesn’t matter, it’s still a government loan no matter which way you spin it.
GM and Chrysler took the money to avoid collapse.
Ford took a department of energy loan that was given to the other as well to meet new strict standards.
No spin needed here .... Just read
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did you see the part where Ford lobbied for the bailouts? Mulally wanted them to happen because he knew without them Ford would suffer...and then doubled down for a just in case line of credit.
Again, Ford took no bailout. Because they weren’t failing. And the line of credit was due to the banks not loaning any money at that time.
Ford Just mortgaged it’s assets for 24 billion in 06, which was a risky move but it paid off because it put them in much better shape when the markets collapsed
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 10/30/18 at 11:50 pm to weagle99
Tundra
Posted on 10/30/18 at 11:52 pm to weagle99
Trucks have sucked ever since they have become a luxury item.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 12:01 am to weagle99
I’m always reluctant to buy the first model year. But the new Rams look damn good and I would not hesitate to buy one in a couple years
Posted on 10/31/18 at 12:02 am to weagle99
Just went over 400,000 miles on a 1994 Dodge Dakota. Same 3.4-liter V6 Magnum engine, new clutch four or five years ago, water pump maybe 10 years ago. It's rusty but it runs well. The dash lights act up sometimes but I just turn down the dimmer switch so I can still let the odometer roll (oh yeah, the gas gauge doesn't work and I have to watch the mileage).
Here's to 500,000 miles.
Here's to 500,000 miles.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 12:06 am to Smart Post
Smart post is smart
Posted on 10/31/18 at 12:24 am to jordan21210
quote:Buy Ford their seat belts ignite.
Ford Recalls 1.6 Million F-150 Pickups for Seatbelt Fires The pre-tensioner system can ignite during a crash.
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