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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:23 pm to Burt Reynolds
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:23 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Well those are independent countries and gaza is an occupied territory so no.
...who has no interest whatever in any sort of peaceful association with Israel.
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:27 pm to Burt Reynolds
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Ive never run into a single violent palestinian working at a gas station. All super nice people.
Most people are nice when you’re giving them money.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:33 pm to beerJeep
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The person I originally responded to was, and is, wrong that the money being unfrozen is what lead to this attack happening.
I believe the planning had been going on for quite some time.
But the release of the money allowed them to go with the plan.
Why go forward with an attack and jeopardize getting $6 billion?
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:34 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Eh, it lacked a lot of details.
Now that is disingenuous. You are free to read the proposal. It was not light on details.
But in short, it was a map dividing a newly stateless part of the world, creating a Jewish Palestine, Arab Palestine, and a neutral body governing Jerusalem.
Jewish Palestine accepted the plan and formed a democracy in Jewish Palestine. Arab nation states and Arab Palestine rejected it, and Egypt, Jordan and Syria invaded the former British mandate. They did this not to liberate the territory to form a larger, better Arab Palestine - they did this to conquer more land for themselves. Gaza and the West Bank and the inability of Arab Palestine to form a functioning government is not a bipolar problem of Israel and Palestine. It is an Israel, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Palestine problem (and Iran and Saudi).
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Israel has never offered a viable two-state solution.
Maybe. But Israel is the only party to this whole affair that has signed on the dotted line to accept a two state solution, and is the only State actor that has given back territory it presently controls at the peace table.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:38 pm to ned nederlander
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But Israel is the only party to this whole affair that has signed on the dotted line to accept a two state solution, and is the only State actor that has given back territory it presently controls at the peace table.
I hardly think Israel is a good faith actor in most instances, but this development this morning was really foolish on the part of the Palestinians.
It now gives pretext to Israel steamrolling the Gaza strip for the sake of national defense. A lot of innocent Palestinians are going to lose their lives due to that decision.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:38 pm to ned nederlander
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Now that is disingenuous.
It's not at all.
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But in short, it was a map dividing a newly stateless part of the world, creating a Jewish Palestine, Arab Palestine, and a neutral body governing Jerusalem.
OK.
That's just a framework. quote:
Maybe. But Israel is the only party to this whole affair that has signed on the dotted line to accept a two state solution, and is the only State actor that has given back territory it presently controls at the peace table.
So what? Again, what Israel has offered is not viable. Also, what Palestine has offered isn't either.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:38 pm to ShoeBang
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Islam is a scourge on civilization and needs to be wiped out without hesitation and without remorse. They cannot exist peacefully with the rest of the world. ETA Downvote all you want but you know I am correct. Sorry if it hurts your feelings. I don’t like it either but I’m just stating facts.
All of this.
I’m generally against the US getting involved in foreign wars, this is different.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:39 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I hardly think Israel is a good faith actor in most instances
Again, they're not. I don't know why you people can't admit to that. You can still support Israel, just be honest. Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:40 pm to grizzlylongcut
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I’m generally against the US getting involved in foreign wars, this is different.
You want us to invade Palestine? What are you proposing here?
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:40 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Again, they're not. I don't know why you people can't admit to that. You can still support Israel, just be honest
what is viable for Palestinians?
I get being able to recognize what's not viable, but is there such thing as a viable plan?
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:44 pm to NYNolaguy1
The area belongs to Palestine.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:44 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Again, they're not. I don't know why you people can't admit to that. You can still support Israel, just be honest.
If supporting the only democratic state in a sea of goat fricking filthy tyrants is wrong I don’t want to be right.
Shill for the muslims all you want but truth is if somebody wanted you dead and wiped off the map your probably have a frick you attitude as well.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:45 pm to grizzlylongcut
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I’m generally against the US getting involved in foreign wars, this is different.
No one is stopping you from going over there and fighting
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:45 pm to gaetti15
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is there such thing as a viable plan?
I don't know. I'm tempted to say no because right now neither side seems to want one.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:46 pm to Mo Jeaux
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don't know. I'm tempted to say no because right now neither side seems to want one.
yeah that's what I was thinking too
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:46 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Again, they're not. I don't know why you people can't admit to that. You can still support Israel, just be honest.
Go back through my post history, I am hardly a gung ho supporter of Israel. In fact I think the creation of the state has lead to a good amount of violence in the middle east post WW 1 (specifically the fall of the Ottomans and the creation of the mandates).
That said, the Palestinians have hardly helped themselves in this situation and are equally responsible for the continued bloodshed in that region. They have had plenty of opportunities to avoid this scenario, where suddenly the Israelis are justified in just conquering the territory and ending all hopes of a Palestinian state. The Palestinians could have ended this in continued peace a long time ago
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:47 pm to Burt Reynolds
“Palestine” doesn’t even exist as you describe and never has.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:47 pm to beebefootballfan
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If supporting the only democratic state
I hear this a lot. I guess it's better than the religious wackadoos, but why should this be such a compelling interest? Israel has sold some of our military secrets to the ChiComs for God's sake. The support is a one way street.
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:48 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You want us to invade Palestine? What are you proposing here?
At what point did I say that I wanted to invade that territory?
Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:48 pm to Hateradedrink
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“Palestine” doesn’t even exist
This is idiocy. That area has been referred to as Palestine for millennia. Herodotus even referred to it as such.
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