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re: Israel/Iran War: The US is bombing Iran
Posted on 6/18/25 at 5:22 am to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 6/18/25 at 5:22 am to LegendInMyMind
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When was the last time Congress declared war or approved war actions?
2003
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 6:02 am to John Barron
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I already said I have no problem with Israel bombing Iran. I just don't approve of us getting involved in Iraq 2.0 which the Neocon Warmongers like Lindsey Graham are already calling for Regime Change and saying U.S. troops are ready to risk their lives. That is what I am against.
If the buck supposedly stops at POTUS, why do people whine so much abt what other politicians/media members say? Direct your ire accordingly.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:25 am to ATrillionaire
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:27 am to Spaceman Spiff
Oil prices haven't soared like Feb 23, 2022 so no one is seriously thinking that the Straits of Hormuz will be closed by Iran
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:26 am to CitizenK
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Iran was being buddies with Nazi Germany.
Iran was a neutral country in WWII . . . at least on paper. They had economic relations with Germany and the allies.
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This is the route most of the supplies for Russia from the USA took, including entire refineries.
No question invading Iran in 1941 was a good decision for the allies and secured oils fields. It made supplying Russia and the war in Europe much easier.
But from an Iranian point of view . . . they were invaded by European nations fighting a European war. That war ended in a tug of war of influence between the Soviets and the uk/us.
A decade later the us/uk stage a coup to protect oil interests.
Twice in 15 year period their government was overturned by the west because of Iran’s oil resources.
None of this is necessarily relevant unless you think 90 million Iranians are going to welcome their western liberators with empty suicide vests.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:37 am to Spaceman Spiff
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According to sources familiar with the operation, Mossad initiated a targeted disinformation effort days before the strike. Using falsified communications through Iranian channels, they triggered what appeared to be an emergency meeting. The ruse successfully drew the entire senior leadership of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force, including Commander General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, his deputies, and key technical personnel, into a fortified bunker outside Tehran. Moments before the strike began, that bunker was hit in a precision airstrike, eliminating Iran’s top missile command. Israeli officials say the goal was clear; prevent the launch of what was believed to be over 1,000 ballistic missiles aimed at Israeli territory. There was absolutely no one alive to give the command to strike back.
Immediately afterward, Israel launched a sweeping campaign across Tehran and other strategic areas, hitting missile sites, infrastructure, and air defenses. The operation had been years in preparation. Mossad sleeper cells, embedded in Iran since as early as 2007, had smuggled hundreds of drones and military equipment into the country using commercial trucks. These assets remained dormant until activated in the hours before the operation.
It is estimated that over 15 percent of Iran’s ballistic missile arsenal was destroyed in the opening wave. Nearly all critical air defense systems in and around Tehran were neutralized in the first hour. At the same time, Israeli strikes targeted top nuclear scientists involved in the regime’s advanced enrichment program.
Iran’s ability to respond collapsed. What was expected to be a massive retaliation was reduced to just 150 ballistic missiles launched 20 hours after the Israeli operation began, spread across three waves, a fraction of what had been anticipated.
Israeli officials now estimate more than 40 percent of Iran’s launch infrastructure has been wiped out. While Tehran has promised further retaliation, the extent of its remaining capabilities remains in doubt.
You don't frick w/the Mossad
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:19 am to Lexis Dad
Khojir Missile Production Complex and Parchin Nuclear Complex.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:19 am to Lexis Dad
Take with a grain of salt
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Visegrád 24 @visegrad24 BREAKING: The Israeli Air Force is striking an area where the underground bunker in which Ayatollah Khamenei is believed to be hiding is located. Source: Israel Hayom
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:27 am to RandySavage
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RandySavage
quote:fwiw they're saying the embassy is working on evacuation flights for us citizens still in israel
Seems more stressed about when he will be able to get out than getting exploded.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 11:28 am to dallastigers
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I think we should sell the big bunker buster to Israel only to use on the enrichment plants and let them figure out to get it there using the air superiority they currently have. They don’t need a B-2 to deliver it with air superiority.
The B2 is the only plane that can deliver that weapon. The weapon was designed to be used in it.
We have 19 B2's (supposedly). And I doubt we would loan them out. If that mountain is going to be destroyed the US Air Force is the only entity that can do it. It would take numerous bombs to destroy it. Its kinda like NORAD. A site built deep inside a mountian.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:11 pm to alphaandomega
Posted on 6/18/25 at 12:24 pm to alphaandomega
Space lasers
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:05 pm to ned nederlander
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But from an Iranian point of view . . . they were invaded by European nations fighting a European war. That war ended in a tug of war of influence between the Soviets and the uk/us.
A decade later the us/uk stage a coup to protect oil interests.
Russia has always been interested in taking over Iran. There have been numerous battles over the years to that end.
Iran changed the terms of an existing agreement. I can tell you that Louisiana wishes it had such lucrative royalty agreement with the US government of oil production in Fed waters. Additional to that royalty agreement, Anglo-Iranian Oil Company had to pay royalties to local tribes as well. Mosadeggh was allying with the commies. The Shah wasn't completely out of power just that the PM had siezed power.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:14 pm to CitizenK
Why isn't Israel using those Jewish Space Lasers which nutters like MTG claim exist?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 1:57 pm to alphaandomega
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The B2 is the only plane that can deliver that weapon. The weapon was designed to be used in it.
Nah the B1 can definitely deliver it. It is just only operationally safe tested in the B2.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 2:20 pm to wileyjones
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fwiw they're saying the embassy is working on evacuation flights for us citizens still in israel
Per Reuters Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv is a one way street right now. Inbound flights happening but no outbound flights.
I was supposed to go to Israel this fall. Hadn’t been since 2006. Assume it will be a for years more.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 4:13 pm to IAmNERD
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Nah the B1 can definitely deliver it. It is just only operationally safe tested in the B2.
OK
But FWIW I would not want to be hauling one of those giant arse bombs in a plane that had not been "operationally safe tested".
Posted on 6/18/25 at 4:23 pm to alphaandomega
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The B2 is the only plane that can deliver that weapon. The weapon was designed to be used in it.
I am not sure about the “can” part. The B2 is only plane the US has certified to deploy it, but its development and testing did include drops with at least one other airplane - the B-52 not that Israel has one of those. The bomb almost seems to have been designed with Iran’s nuclear facilities in mind, and I don’t think it’s deployment was designed around gaining air superiority first.
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US aircraft able to carry MOP:
B-2 Spirit: Currently considered the only delivery platform
Rockwell B-1 Lancer and B-52 Stratofortress: Possible
Northrop Grumman B-21 Raider : Planned
With a payload capacity of 75,000 lbs, the B-1 Lancer certainly has the capability to carry bombs of this weight - although perhaps there are other limiting factors why the Lancer isn't used.
It seems that the B-2 Spirit is the only aircraft that can currently carry the MOP (although it was tested using the B-52 Superfortress - suggesting that the bomber has the capability and heft to carry it). Perhaps it is only carried by the B-2 because both the B-1 Lancer and B-52 Superfortress would struggle to survive in a contested air environment (and contested air environments are where the bomb is likely be needed).
Posted on 6/18/25 at 4:35 pm to CitizenK
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Why isn't Israel using those Jewish Space Lasers which nutters like MTG claim exist?
They painted the nuke facilities light blue thus making the "high-energy space weapons" ineffective.
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