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ISIS ATGM destroys Iraqi M1 Abrams tank
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:19 am
Yahoo: US tanks have fallen behind in tech advancement
Embeded link of tank destruction and cook off
Embeded link of tank destruction and cook off
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A video showing an ISIS-fired, Russian-made anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) obliterating a US-made M1 Abrams tank illustrates the disturbing degree to which the US's tanks have fallen behind on the modern battlefield.
In Syria alone, eight different types of ATGMs threaten any armored division, the Congressional Research Service states. There's no reason to believe a more favorable situation exists in Iraq.
The US's M1 Abrams, first introduced in 1979, has undergone a number of updates to deal with evolving threats on the battlefield, but it has fallen behind in a key area — active protection.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 10:27 am
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:27 am to Sid in Lakeshore
IIRC, the M1 the Iraqi's have aren't the upgraded/up-armored ones.
Darth is no where to be seen..
Darth is no where to be seen..
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:27 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Kingdom of Islam
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I'm not supporting any GROUP or ORGANISATION in this conflict. Please notice this.
Mmmmhmmm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:29 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:30 am to Sid in Lakeshore
I'm disappointed in the lack of Allah Akbar's
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:42 am to onelochevy
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this video was covered last week.
Thanks I'll read that thread.
Darth and others providing good info......
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:43 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Wouldn't an anti-tank missle take out any modern tank, depending on where it hits?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:50 am to TrebleHook
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Wouldn't an anti-tank missle take out any modern tank, depending on where it hits?
I'm no expert, but I think the answer to that is "no".
There are defensive measures (active and passive) that come into play. The point of the article is that the US has fallen behind Israel and possibly Russia in the active defensive measure category for their tanks.
(although the tank in question was undoubtedly an expert model and therefore presumably not equipped with the latest and greatest current US technology.)
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:07 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't tanks a bit antiquated weapon of war in present times? Not a particularly effective piece of equipment in urban settings.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:18 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Export model M1. Who cares.
Tons of Russian tanks have been destroyed by ATGMs in Syria, but they're also export models.
Tons of Russian tanks have been destroyed by ATGMs in Syria, but they're also export models.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:28 am to barry
quote:A lot of improvements have been made to our tanks for dealing with urban environments. TUSK(Tank Urban Survival Kit),namely.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't tanks a bit antiquated weapon of war in present times? Not a particularly effective piece of equipment in urban settings.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:51 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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ISIS ATGM destroys Iraqi M1 Abrams tank by Sid in Lakeshore
First off....
Whoever wrote that article is an non-tanking idiot who doesn't know shite from shineola when it comes to the M1.
What you're seeing in the video is not an M1 being "destroyed" or "obliterated" by a ATGM. Instead you're seeing one of the most innovative crew protection features of the Abrams working exactly as designed.
Notice the hit comes at the rear of the turret. That's where the main ammo rack is located. Here's a diagram of what it looks like....
(This illustration is not exactly perfect because it fials to show that the ammo rack is totally separate from the crew compartment. The only time the ammo rack is open to the crew compartment is when the loader open the door to it to retrieve a round. This process take less than five seconds before the door closes again automatically. One thing of importance to note though is that the ammo is stored facing backwards. This is done so that if the ammo starts cooking off, it does so away from the crew compartment instead of toward the crew compartment.)
Now, the entire rear of that turret is specifically designed to blow out, up, and away from the rest of the tank if it's hit. In other words, if that ammo rack is full of 120mm rounds and takes a hit, you'll have an impressive fireball (like you see in the video). But once it burns out, the tank can be towed back to brigade level maintenance, repaired, and returned to active duty. As for the crew, unless they had that door open, they're perfectly fine. To see what I'm talking about watch this video...
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Notice how from the outside the tank looks to be roasting? But look at the interior view, everything is fine inside the crew compartment.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:32 pm to Darth_Vader
Wow, thanks for the clarification.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:41 pm to Darth_Vader
Darth,
I'd like you to impregnate me.
carry on sir
I'd like you to impregnate me.
carry on sir
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:44 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Wow, thanks for the clarification.
No problem.
And in case anyone is wondering how this would go down if the Kornet hit the front of the turret, well just look at this...
Do you see the small storage box attached to the side of the turret towards the front? Now look right behind that for the smoke grenade launcher (with canvas cover). Right there in that small space between that box and the smoke launcher is where the frontal armor of the turret ends. In other words, everything from that launcher on the side of the turret going forward is armor.
As for the "blowout" ammo storage area, it basically starts right behind the tank commander's hatch. Anything hits behind that spot, and you get the harmless "blowout effect".
As far as the turret goes, about the only are that's vulnerable is area starting at rear of the TC's hatch and going forward to the box you see right in front of it. That's the gunner's main sight BTW.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:51 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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There are defensive measures (active and passive) that come into play. The point of the article is that the US has fallen behind Israel and possibly Russia in the active defensive measure category for their tanks
Israelis have the advantage of not having to make a tank that's capable of being transported by air so they can make them as heavy and big as they want.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:03 pm to upgrayedd
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Israelis have the advantage of not having to make a tank that's capable of being transported by air so they can make them as heavy and big as they want.
The Israeli Merkava weighs about the same as the M1A2 I believe.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 12:49 am to Darth_Vader
That is such a bad arse looking vehicle. would love to take a ride. I envy you guys (sometimes, ).
).Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:14 am to Darth_Vader
Thank you Darth for your clarification with facts... I found the premise in the OP's post suspect, (NOT THE OP), but as a former Artillery officer I found it hard to believe that a Russian made portable/light infantry type of ATGM poses a significant threat to an M-1....
Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:29 am to Darth_Vader
Is there a tank that can't be transported by air?
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