re: Isiah Wright and Camion Patrick from Last Chance U I and II facing murder charges

It's not that anybody doesn't think they are part of a catastrophic black American "cycle" of social pathologies. It's that the biggest part of addressing the colossal moral failing that is that "cycle" is not murdering people. Pretty fricking simple. They not only didn't "break the cycle", they enthusiastically perpetuated it. They deserve nothing but condemnation.

Good god dude no one is saying anything about them getting anything but condemnation. If some of y'all were capable of seeing things as not strictly black or white you could see there is a serious problem that perpetuates this cycle. Most people on here just write it off as a black problem or just say they're savages instead of having the discussion on how it can improve.

Yes, these kids know murder is wrong, but why do they do it anyways? Because dad's in jail and "the streets" toughened them up? Because from an early age they learn disrespect is met with violence? Etc etc.

If you write it off as "not my problem" it only continues.

And yet us white people are racists and white women are bitches to these scumbags

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Did the culcha they were raised in finally shine through?

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Patrick played at my alma mater (for a period of time, at least), before moving on to another school.

Their dad had a dozen or so kids, as I recall. Zero father figure.

How is that a strawman in the slightest? I didn't bring up any point you didn't make.

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I've been observing black social pathology for 35 years.

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Here's a cookie.

it's pretty well known and at this point. Your upbringing plays a HUGE factor in shite like this. It doesn't excuse it, because plenty of folks with shite upbringing also turn out to be perfectly fine and normal citizens. But it shouldn't be ignored.

I said this:

It's not that anybody doesn't think they are part of a catastrophic black American "cycle" of social pathologies. It's that the biggest part of addressing the colossal moral failing that is that "cycle" is not murdering people. Pretty fricking simple. They not only didn't "break the cycle", they enthusiastically perpetuated it. They deserve nothing but condemnation.

You responded with:

Good god dude no one is saying anything about them getting anything but condemnation. (EDIT-I never said anybody did) If some of y'all were capable of seeing things as not strictly black or white STRAWMAN you could see there is a serious problem that perpetuates this cycle STRAWMAN. Most people on here just write it off as a black problem or just say they're savages STRAWMAN instead of having the discussion on how it can improve STRAWMAN.

Yes, these kids know murder is wrong, but why do they do it anyways? Because dad's in jail and "the streets" toughened them up? Because from an early age they learn disrespect is met with violence? Etc etc.

If you write it off as "not my problem" STRAWMAN it only continues

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A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.

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You didn't refute a single point I actually said. You refuted something you conjured in your own mind instead and then you beat it to death with personal insults and condescension.

If at any point you want to discuss why this kind of thing occurs so frequently and disproportionately with black Americans I'd be happy to. But there has to be some kind of basic honesty on your part or I'm just indulging your temper tantrum.

You were addressing me. I can only defend my own comments or views, and attributing the thoughts and views of others to me is dishonest and lazy.

If you want to discuss the reasons these very specific social pathologies occur so frequently with young black males in America we can have that discussion. If you just want to rail against everything you have ever heard that offends your sensibilities, and slur me with Strawmen I'm not interested.

I was talking in general terms about the attitude this board has towards these situations.

I was not refuting nor trying to refute any point you made, I was simply making my own points.

Anyone on this board can copy and paste the definition of strawman, but that doesn't mean you know what it means in practice.

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Isiah Wright

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He was the running back if I remember correctly. All the talent in the world and didn't give the first frick. What a POS. He would rather be a complete shithole thug than have the world laid at his feet. There are kids that would kill for a fraction of the talent he has and he just throws it all away. Sad world we live in.