re: Is white privilege a real thing?

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I'm one scarf away from being a "Carlton". And I've been called N-eye-gee-gee-er multiple times, accused of stealing, watched waiters collude to who didn't want to serve me

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None of those things have ever happened to me in 37 years, and you dress better than me.

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nope i just live around successful black people who are treated like everyone else

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That's interesting because of the successful black people I've gotten to know well enough to talk about things like this, all have expressed examples, whether small or not, of them being targeted or treated negatively. Even like 13 said, even if it's just someone calling them the "N" word in passing for no good reason. But you think that doesn't happen to well dressed black people, which seems to just be patently false.

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As a white guy I do think there is some sort of white privilege. Its more perception then anything else but perception is reality. I compare it to black jack. I have 18 and the black guy next to me has 13. We can both win or lose but the road and percentage is just a little bit better for me

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see i get that

cards is a bad example for this comment b/c of the randomness, but i'll use it anyway

we should be teaching people to follow what got you to 18 rather than saying you cheated to get to 18 and teach people to follow the path to 13

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the larger point is what we do about the current situation. do we

1. attack the superior culture and defend the inferior culture
2. defend the superior culture and attack the inferior culture

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That's the 2 options?



IT's a shame we couldn't just have an option that says treated everyone you don't know the same(or on their actual merits). Darn, that would have seemed like a good option.

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IF this occurs, it's b/c of the XXXL wearing shirt black guy and NOT white people

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THAT is the privilege of me being white. Again, you're agreeing with me. When did I ever say it's "because of white people"?? All I'm saying is that it exists, I never blamed anyone for it.

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That's interesting because of the successful black people I've gotten to know well enough to talk about things like this, all have expressed examples, whether small or not, of them being targeted or treated negatively.

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well my sample may be skewed b/c most successful black people i know had to reform their lives and readily admit they were discriminated against when they were acting/promoting a lifestyle that led to those judgments

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t you think that doesn't happen to well dressed black people

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i said it's an outlier situation. i didn't say it never happens

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i'm in no way defending that sort of irrationality. i'm just trying to put the blame on the right group more than anything

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You're trying to assign the blame, I'm trying to say it exists.

You attempting to assign a blame is actually admitting it exists. Look a the thread title and replies saying it did not exist, that's the point of the thread, not who is at fault for it.

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I don't think you should be searching for blame (which is also part of the issue), rather, just recognizing the reality we live in. Right or wrong though it shouldn't be used as a crutch.

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well blame is important b/c if we're ever going to move past those irrational judgments, we have to honestly talk about why they are being passed. sometimes it's just some a-hole, and, again, we should be blaming them for that absurd irrationality (it's not a one-way street)

we're only going to move past all this stuff if we choose to say, "we're not going to accept that sort of behavior". this applies to racism, lower class cultural values, and the whole spectrum

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None of those things have ever happened to me in 37 years, and you dress better than me.

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None of it phases me. The irony is based on me and my family's military history we gave so much more for this county than most "patriots" could ever dream of. What gives me hope is that my father-in-law was one of those who called me the n word without even meeting me, we now have an awesome relationship. The only thing I fear is being in the wrong place at the wrong time but that could happen to anyone.

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That's the 2 options?

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yes. what is the 3rd?

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IT's a shame we couldn't just have an option that says treated everyone you don't know the same.

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that's irrational in itself. that ignores reality and science, basically

i mean if you want to promote that hippy shite then go ahead, but it's not rational or intelligent

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THAT is the privilege of me being white.

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it's also the disadvantage of "being black". if they want to move past this situation, those of elevated cultures need to marginalize the XXXL shirt people (if you want to use this as the generic example)

white people will certainly join in

if black people who aren't in the lower class mentality join in, then we all get to call out the proper party

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You attempting to assign a blame is actually admitting it exists. Look a the thread title and replies saying it did not exist, that's the point of the thread, not who is at fault for it.

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you're either completely ignoring what i'm saying or creating one massive straw man