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re: Is PB&J not allowed in school anymore?

Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:42 pm to
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tell me you have never been around kids and especially kids with allergies without telling me


I have. Sorry to disappoint.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:43 pm to
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you’re not a small child who is legally required to be in school



Kids are legally required to be in summer camp?
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:44 pm to
You did, before you edited your post
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:44 pm to
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You did, before you edited your post


I did not. No need to lie. The edit added the second paragraph.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:46 pm to
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I think the difference is children are naive idiots and adults who have severe allergies know what to do to protect themselves


this is too complicated for some to understand

and let me go ahead and get it out the way....we wonder why so many kids are fat asses now a days. Got a bunch of parents whining about not being able to send their kid to school with PB&J on white bread. Essentially a processed sugar- loaded calorie bomb with no real nutrition in it to begin with. and we wonder why kids have behavior issues and are fat

of course judging by the BMI and exercise threads on the OT...not surprised fat lazy parents are whining they are inconvenienced for not being able to give their kids dog shite food. might as well send a coke and twinkie for lunch.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:48 pm to
I think you are way too fixated on the pb&j aspect of this issue. It would pertain to all peanut containing products. The pb&j is just the item that the OP had containing peanuts.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:50 pm to
Maybe that kid should be home schooled.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:53 pm to
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Maybe that kid should be home schooled.


ok then what about the kid that hasnt had a reaction yet but suddenly does because he is suddenly exposed to a large amount?

i mean i dont really give a frick. we pay to go to private school for a reason.

1) because they dont allow nuts or seafood

2) so my kids dont have to be around kids that come from parents like most of you
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:56 pm to
Many schools just do an allergy table for kids with allergies to sit, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on schools who do not allow kids with lunches from home to bring sodas, candy, energy drinks, etc.?

That's a fairly common rule and it seems like parents don't mind adhering to that one.

Obviously, one could argue that PB&J is more of a household staple than candy and soda (although, is it really?), but they make a plethora of PB alternatives these days that are about the same price as PB.

I don't have a dog in this fight. Just interesting to see the passionate stance taken when it comes to an allergy rule, when the rules against candy/soda aren't for such a severe reason and seem to be accepted fine by parents.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 1:57 pm to
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Kids are legally required to be in summer camp?

kids who have working parents have to go somewhere during the summer when school is closed
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:01 pm to
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It really comes down to an issue of perceived accountability. If I am the only person within a group of 100 people who has a specific risk/disability is it MY responsibility to adjust my behaviors to ensure I can co-exist with the other 99? Or is it the other 99's responsibility to change their behaviors so they can co-exist with me? For me, it's my burden. I can not like that I have that burden. But I would be ashamed to demand the majority adjust to suit me.

Tell that to a toddler or small child and see how that works out

Parents can't be there at daycare/school all day to make sure their kid is "accountable." My kids don't have allergies that I'm aware of, but some of y'all act as if a child's mind operates like an adult mind and they should be held to the same standards

For young kids, they put their nasty hands on everything. They put any and everything in their mouths. They only wash their hands when they're told to and need help doing it. They have no concept of hygiene or their own mortality.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 2:18 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:01 pm to
pb&j has about the same nutrition quality as candy and soda.
Posted by soileau123
south louisiana
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:05 pm to
Yea I think in day care when kids just grab shite and throw it in their mouths without thinking about it, then it should not be allowed. My son who has a peanut allergy, no idea how it developed. He was fed peanut butter a lot when little then one day bam out of no where to the hospital we had to go. But now that he is 5 and he knows that he has a peanut allergy and he also knows to never touch it I personally would not have a problem with other kids having it.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
3552 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:06 pm to
And? Anyone could have a reaction to anything at any time. A friend of mine suddenly reacted to shell fish at a meal in her 40s. With no prior issues. What about a kid who reacts badly to a bug bite. Should all kids miss recess if that kid needs library time or some other inside activity in place of recess?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:06 pm to
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Many schools just do an allergy table for kids with allergies


How it has always been done for anything i've worked with that had this issue come up, or something similar.

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I'm curious what your thoughts are on schools who do not allow kids with lunches from home to bring sodas, candy, energy drinks, etc.?


Generally against it, but I also understand the reasoning behind it, the sugar contents and classroom disruptions/energy outbursts and such. Just like I understand the reasoning behind the decision they made to ban all peanut items, I just disagree with that being the right method to address the issue.

I would say those are more specialty items than what one would consider a basic "standard" food option. I do find those rules somewhat silly as so many of the "alternative" options have just as much sugar content and sometimes more.

Banning all students from bringing any items to school that have any peanuts or containing peanut oil is too far IMO, when there are ways to address this issue without forcing someone else's dietary restrictions onto others.

I remember back when I was in school they got rid of soft drinks and replaced them with Fruitopia because it was healthier
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:11 pm to
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Should all kids miss recess if that kid needs library time or some other inside activity in place of recess?


I think the argument here is that not having a peanut butter sandwich is not the same as not participating in lunch time at all. Apples to oranges.

They're just asking that you pack anything else. A grilled cheese, a turkey wrap, a pizza Lunchable, whatever. Something that has less chance of causing issues to kids with severe allergies, which are more common than they've ever been.

I don't think that being asked not to bring a specific food item is in infringement of a child's rights. Certainly nobody here is letting their kids dictate what they eat 100% of the time. They can have peanut butter for breakfast. Or after school snack. Or dinner. We don't have a god given right to peanut butter and peanut butter only.

EDIT - I'm the first person to do a massive eye roll at annoying allergies. I just think this specific situation when it comes to young kids who can't control it as well makes sense.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:12 pm to
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Is this the way it is everywhere now?


A lot of places.

The overwhelming majority must be inconvenienced for the weak.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
82218 posts
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:18 pm to
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the sugar contents and classroom disruptions/energy outbursts and such


Most schools also have lines in their wellness policy that ban families from bringing in outside food from establishments (McDonalds, CFA, etc.) for their child's lunch. Similar to the example I used before, most parents don't push back on this or see this as an infringement of their child's rights. They understand that fast food being brought in causes a disruption moreso than your basic home packed lunch.

I'd say if sugar rushes and FF disruptions are acceptable reasons for the bans, so is the excuse of severe allergies.

Although I conceded that you said you understand the reasoning and just don't agree with the act of the ban.

I don't know, though. I don't consider schools (even public schools) to be "the government" in the way some are referencing here. Schools have rules that infringe on students more than regular everyday laws because they are children.. in a learning environment.. who need these rules to succeed.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:26 pm to
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Most schools also have lines in their wellness policy that ban families from bringing in outside food from establishments (McDonalds, CFA, etc.) for their child's lunch. Similar to the example I used before, most parents don't push back on this or see this as an infringement of their child's rights. They understand that fast food being brought in causes a disruption moreso than your basic home packed lunch.


A lot of these rules are done out of a notion of "fairness" since the kids that didn't bring their lunch wouldn't have an ability to have those items, which I find ludicrous as well. There is still a stark difference in saying nobody will be able to have XYZ because of whatever school policy around school disruption/sugar rush/ or whatever, and saying since John Q is allergic to XYZ, nobody will be able to have or bring anything to school that contains any traces of XYZ, even though normally they would be able to.

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don't know, though. I don't consider schools (even public schools) to be "the government" in the way some are referencing here. Schools have rules that infringe on students more than regular everyday laws because they are children.. in a learning environment.. who need these rules to succeed.


I'm not making any governmental or political argument around this. All I'm saying is it is an absurd position to take IMO that the best and most reasonable course of action to take is to make all other families have to adhere to another kid's allergy dependent diet when there is a chance they will be interacting with said kid, when there are plenty of other options to accommodate that issue, that don't involve restriction what another parent can and can't make for their child for lunch.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 2:28 pm
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