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re: Is it impossible to travel to another solar system?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:56 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:56 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I'm game. This'll be fun.
It may be effects from the camera.
A camera has a lens, film.
Let's just say this, theoretically:
The energy emitted from the sun difracts upon hitting an object (like visible light through a prism). Thus, producing the photon particles and waves we're accustomed to here on earth.
Couldn't the same thing caused by our atmosphere be caused through the lens of the camera?
The effect of the direction and magnitude of the energy source would be the same.
What if the moon was only lit from the surface for the astronauts? ... due to light relfection?
--- Oh the possibilities and implications.
Now... as applicable to this thread.
What if we've only focused on one component of the energy produced by the sun.... the electromagnetic spectrum?
What if there was a completely different component that we are ignoring? The electrostatic component.
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:57 pm to colorchangintiger
Isnt that what Krypton had in Man Of Steel to send Zod to the Phantom Zone.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 12:59 pm to CarRamrod
Willy Wonka already invented Wonka Vision.
We can already travel at the speed of information transfer.
Why not just fix the bugs and use that?
We can already travel at the speed of information transfer.
Why not just fix the bugs and use that?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:06 pm to Mahootney
Talk of immense power sources seems to be way off course. Sure, they'll help for some things, but if it's possible then the key will be in the ways that the universe already makes that kind of travel available. Not through "pushing" like others said, but by readily available channels that we can't tap into yet. Perhaps that kind of travel would take virtually no energy at all compared to ideas of the present. Kind of like how a magnet will be pulled to another, or float above an opposing one. You have to use what's available to you, not beat it with a rock, burn it with fire, and then hope for the best.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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I claim to be the Princess of Canada - but, without any paperwork, that's going to fly as far as the Hollywood moon landing people.
Princess of Canada? Not sure there is one but we'll settle for pics on this board.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:11 pm to DanTiger
I think that there are probably multiple "universes" with most containing some life form
Will we ever find them? Give us 2,000 years and maybe
Will we ever find them? Give us 2,000 years and maybe
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:17 pm to panterica
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Kind of like how a magnet will be pulled to another, or float above an opposing one.
A few pages ago I said to pull, not to push.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:20 pm to Korkstand
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Why do you have so little faith in humanity? Haven't we accomplished pretty much everything we've put our minds to so far? Maybe we'll figure out how to create and travel through wormholes, maybe we won't. Maybe we'll discover some as yet unknown source of energy and harness it, maybe we won't. Maybe we'll figure out indefinite suspended animation so we don't have to solve these other problems, maybe we won't. But if the goal is to travel to and colonize other worlds, especially if the alternative is the end of the species, then I would have to bet we'll figure something out.
As many things about the universe as we have already figured out and put to use, there are still very many stones left unturned. Any discovery could be the key to interstellar travel.
We know a lot about how the universe works, and much of it is very, very weird. Imagine how weird and incomprehensible the things we have yet to learn will be. What really happens inside a black hole? How can we be sure we aren't actually inside another universe's black hole? You said that they rip stars to shreds, but what if that's not really true? After all, if gravity is really just a "bend" in spacetime, why can't the things that enter black holes still exist in that "new universe" with a different set of rules and constants? Many of the constants we know about our universe seem pretty arbitrary, don't they? The speed of light, the strength of the various known forces, etc.
It's not a lack of faith in humanity on my part that gives me the opinion it's impossible to either travel the speed of light or warp time space itself. Like I've said, I'd love it if we could do these things. But I'm a realist, it's not just a matter of technology limitations that we're talking about. The very things that it would take to do what is being proposed here (bending space time to allow interstellar travel for humans) are according to the laws of physics, simply impossible for us to do and furthermore impossible for anyone to even survive the process if we figured out how to do it.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:22 pm to LSUBoo
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ind of like how a magnet will be pulled to another, or float above an opposing one.
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A few pages ago I said to pull, not to push
Cool. Who's going to set up the magnet in the other solar system?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:23 pm to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
The thing is, the universe could have interstellar highways practically paved out already for us, with no need for gas stations or rolling wheels.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:24 pm to Darth_Vader
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Who's going to set up the magnet in the other solar system?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:25 pm to Mahootney
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Mahootney
I agree with most of what you say, but that hippy going on about cosmic rays and that light doesn't exist in a vacuum is full of crap.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:30 pm to panterica
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The thing is, the universe could have interstellar highways practically paved out already for us, with no need for gas stations or rolling wheels.
Cool. What exactly is this highway made of and how do we find it? What is paving these highways you speak of? This is an interesting theory that I've never heard of.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:31 pm to Ace Midnight
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I "believe" that this picture is lit by the sun.
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Although not taken "in outer space" - the moon has no atmosphere, and therefore would have the same observational characteristics as the vacuum of space, except the glare caused by its own surface.
Are you trying to say that the sun does not provide visible light to the moon anywhere except through the reflection off the moons surface?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:32 pm to panterica
quote:It's not my theory.
that hippy going on about cosmic rays and that light doesn't exist in a vacuum is full of crap.
But talking about it like a sci-fi novel is fun.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:32 pm to Darth_Vader
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hat exactly is this highway made of
empty space
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and how do we find it
technology not yet invented
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What is paving these highways you speak of
Natural forces of gravity
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This is an interesting theory that I've never heard of.
Do you know anything about science?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:33 pm to Darth_Vader
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Cool. Who's going to set up the magnet in the other solar system?
Why use magnets when you can use gravity?
I don't know how it's going to happen, but I think it might be possible. Not in your lifetime, not in my lifetime, maybe not for a few more thousand or even tens of thousands of years.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:33 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Watch the movie "Contact".
Cool. What exactly is this highway made of and how do we find it? What is paving these highways you speak of? This is an interesting theory that I've never heard of.
That's about as close of an approximation as I can make for his theory.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:36 pm to DosManos
Posted on 4/8/14 at 1:36 pm to Breesus
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Are you trying to say that the sun does not provide visible light to the moon anywhere except through the reflection off the moons surface?
No, I was countering the nonsensical theory that the sun cannot be seen from "outer space" and further, that, because it has no atmosphere, observing the sun, from the moon, would be equivalent to observing it from other places in the solar system (not on Earth or in any sort of atmosphere), with the only exception being, you would have some interference from the glare the sun produces on the moon's surface.
I know that's a lot of words, but I hope they're clear.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 1:38 pm
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