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Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:02 am to DanTiger
Will biological humans ever achieve interstellar travel? Probably not.
After the singularity, however, all bets are off.
After the singularity, however, all bets are off.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:03 am to Tactical1
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Mars is not a 3 day trip.
so because it will take two months no one can survive the journey?
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:04 am to Darth_Vader
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But even here, how the hell could we keep up that speed for two decades solid?
Objects in motion tend to stay in motion...
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:05 am to colorchangintiger
acceleration would be easy,deceleration would not be.
Also we would need to develop inertial compensators first.
Also we would need to develop inertial compensators first.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:06 am to DanTiger
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I am a believer in panspermia so I believe we were already colonized but not intentionally.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:06 am to Tigerlaff
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After the singularity, however, all bets are off.
AI could be our only option to reach another solar system. That being said even if we discover how to use solar power to keep the computer "alive" the spacecraft will need to get pretty far away from all suns in order to reach another Solar System.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:08 am to Napoleon
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so because it will take two months no one can survive the journey?
It took Curiosity over seven months to reach Mars, and this was an unmanned craft. The logistical nightmare it would be to send 3-4 humans to Mars and to safely get them back to the Earth, while not impossible, is highly, highly improbable of ever happening in the foreseeable future.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:09 am to notsince98
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A warp drive doesn't operate on the principle of traveling faster than the speed of light. A warp drive operates on the principle of detachment from the fabric of space-time and moving freely with no ties to the newtonian based physical laws of the universe.
Exactly... it's science fiction.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:11 am to Darth_Vader
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Exactly... it's science fiction.
for now but it is plausible with the advancement of high density power sources.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:11 am to Tactical1
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highly improbable of ever happening in the foreseeable future.
Just realize we went from airplanes not existing to landing on the moon in under 70 years.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:13 am to colorchangintiger
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Since something like 99% of all human knowledge was discovered in the last 200 years, imagine what we will be able to do in another 1000 years, 10,000 years, 100,000 years, etc.
The example I like to use is a hypothetical female child, born into slavery in early 1865, in Florida.
This child would have been born into legal slavery in the Confederate States of America. There was steam power - but coal would not eclipse wood as an energy source until our hypothetical child (let's call her "Mary") reaches 20 years of age, and adulthood. Virtually everyone traveled short and medium distances on foot, horseback or horsedrawn carriages not just in the U.S. and United Kingdom, but the entire planet. Railroads were still, effectively, "teenagers" in the industrialized nations.
Mary would grow up to see the rapid industrialization/alteration of the U.S. from a farming nation, essentially full of forests, to a nation increasingly criss-crossed with roads. In her 30s, Mary sees her first automobile. In her early 40s, she hears of a flying machine some bicycle makers in North Carolina cobbled together. In her late 40s/early 50s, stories abound about the Great War in Europe - "To End All Wars" - and Mary continues to see wondrous and terrifying developments.
About the time she turns 80, Mary is alive when the atom is harnassed and unleashed on Japan. If she lives to the ripe old age of 104 (unlikely, but statistically possible) - she sees and hears Neil Armstong and Buzz Aldrin walk on the Moon.
All of this in a single, plausible hypothetical lifetime.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:14 am to Darth_Vader
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Exactly... it's science fiction.
Also, Kaku highly disagrees with your insinuation that it is impossible.
LINK
He has a good series, maybe on youtube somewhere, where he goes over the conceptual design of a warp drive.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:17 am to colorchangintiger
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Just realize we went from airplanes not existing to landing on the moon in under 70 years.
Oh I do, and I think it is amazing, however, we are talking about sending human beings 34.8 million miles away (the closest Mars has ever been to the Earth and this was in 2003) across the most unpredictable frontier not really known to man, land on another planet, leave the surface of that planet, and return safely to Earth.
While I would love to see it, I just think that is much further than 70 years away.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:21 am to Tactical1
Everything is a long ways off at this point. Humans don't even understand the most basic of laws of the universe, yet. Once we do, everything else falls into place very quickly.
It just shows how ignorant humans currently are even though we like to think of ourselves as highly enlightened as a civilization yet we maybe understand 10% of the universe.
It just shows how ignorant humans currently are even though we like to think of ourselves as highly enlightened as a civilization yet we maybe understand 10% of the universe.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:29 am to notsince98
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It just shows how ignorant humans currently are even though we like to think of ourselves as highly enlightened as a civilization yet we maybe understand 10% of the universe.
There are only 2 possibilities - either we are alone in the universe as the sole example of a sentient species - or we aren't. Either possibility is both interesting and frightening.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:32 am to Ace Midnight
and one possibility has a significantly higher statistical probability of being the correct one.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:32 am to notsince98
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Also, Kaku highly disagrees with your insinuation that it is impossible.
LINK
He has a good series, maybe on youtube somewhere, where he goes over the conceptual design of a warp drive.
But yet none of that can get around the fact that when an object object reaches light speed its mass becomes infinite, and not only does it's mass become infinite the energy required to move it likewise becomes infinite.
As the article I linked points out....
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Einstein's famous equation, E = mc², where E is energy, m is mass and c is the speed of light. According to this equation, mass and energy are the same physical entity and can be changed into each other. Because of this equivalence, the energy an object has due to its motion will increase its mass. In other words, the faster an object moves, the greater its mass. This only becomes noticeable when an object moves really quickly. If it moves at 10 percent the speed of light, for example, its mass will only be 0.5 percent more than normal. But if it moves at 90 percent the speed of light, its mass will double.
As an object approaches the speed of light, its mass rises precipitously. If an object tries to travel 186,000 miles per second, its mass becomes infinite, and so does the energy required to move it. For this reason, no normal object can travel as fast or faster than the speed of light.
It's not a matter of simply creating a really fast ship wit ha really fast propulsion system that we have to figure out how to build, it's a matter of physics, the very laws of nature itself that we would have to figure out a way around. And as much as I'd love for it to be possible, we simply cannot get around physics any more than we can figure out a way for 1+1 to equal anything other than 2.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 10:35 am
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:33 am to Ace Midnight
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There are only 2 possibilities - either we are alone in the universe as the sole example of a sentient species - or we aren't. Either possibility is both interesting and frightening.
We could also be just an enigma and alone in the universe. I do believe that it is likely there is life on other planets but they are few and FAR between.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 10:33 am to Darth_Vader
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Exactly... it's science fiction.
So was sending a man to the moon in the 20's and 30's
but in thirty years the plan was in motion for real.
We have seen so much science fiction turn out to be science fact, that the bending of space time seems plausible.
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