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re: Is Fayetteville, AR a good place to live?

Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:57 am to
Posted by Rockbrc
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:57 am to
I have 3 daughters living in that area. I'm not a big razorback fan and I spend a lot of energy trying to stay out of WalMart. I don't like mountains much, either. Having said all of that, it's got a lot to offer that overrides those negatives for me. An LSU cap will start a large number of conversations but I've seldom found them to be negative. They like talking sports and they dig the SEC connection, I think.
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:04 am to
The area seems kind of isolated. KC might be the nearest major city.

Does it have good hospitals/trauma centers, bike paths, and swimable waters? Is the airport any good?

I'm kind of surprised that taxes are a little high overall in Arky.
Posted by YumYum Sauce
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:16 am to
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Russellville intrigues me as well. Doesn't look as nice but it has potential with Tech being there. It's a lower elevation and a little warmer yet still close to the mountainous terrain


NWA is amazing. DO it.

Russellville.. I have been working here a few months and commuting from Central Arkansas. In the words of my boss, after asking him if I should relocate here, "Hell no, i'd never ask someone to live in this town".

It is THE most boring town I've ever been in. Lots of industrial chicken plant type stuff. Restaurants are horrible and the schools are all rednecky.

If NWA is too cold, check out Maumelle/Conway. Conway has the HP center that is booming, and there are several tech startups popping up downtown. Great town for small business growth.


Posted by Rockbrc
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:17 am to
Good hospitals, trauma centers, water sport areas and more bicycles per capita than anywhere in the free world. Can't think of a whole lot of need for major city stuff unless you just like the big cities. Nice airport for a smaller one.
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:18 am to
Just about everything you'd need is here.

KC = 3hrs
Tulsa = 2hrs
Little Rock = ~4hrs
St Louis = ~6hrs

I have 3 good hospitals within a 20min drive.

I challenge you to find better bike paths in the south. The greenway connects Bella Vista with Fayetteville, and all areas in between (so that's all of NW Arky). There's a TON of mt. bike trails.

Beaver Lake is huge and fun, you can swim there. Might be cold in the winter.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:38 am to
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I never really knew Fayetteville was a nice area. It's very low-key.

How are the winters? Are any of the rivers or lakes swimable in the summer?

Russellville intrigues me as well. Doesn't look as nice but it has potential with Tech being there. It's a lower elevation and a little warmer yet still close to the mountainous terrain.

I live in South Louisiana, but I'm from that area. Also am very familiar with Russellville.

I left due to the low paying jobs. There really isn't a lot of high paying jobs up there, at least none that fit what I like to do.

All of the public schools in NWA and Russellville are good. NWA are the best in the state. Everything is clean up there.

Rivers and lakes.....yes they are all swimmable and are good for recreational use. The lakes are DEEP. There are spots at 100 ft+ deep, especially on the sides of cliffs.

Weather....winters are colder and summers have less humidity, but are still hot. Winters in NWA can get brutal. Single digits are somewhat normal during the later months of winter. Last winter I spent there, we had 18" of snow fall one night.

Ask questions and I'll help you out all I can.

ETA: There are a lot of MILF's up there also.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 11:50 am
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:26 pm to
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Winters in NWA can get brutal. Single digits are somewhat normal during the later months of winter. Last winter I spent there, we had 18" of snow fall one night.


Good grief. Sounds like Boise, SLC, Asheville, and Brevard may be milder options with better access to major cities and subjectively more interesting terrains.

I can't handle winters. That's why I'm still in the Deep South.
Posted by LSUShock
Kansas
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:39 pm to
I can guarantee you that SLC and Boise are far from milder options than NWA.

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I can't handle winters


Why would you consider places that are notions for snow and cold (Boise,SLC) or are known for having 4 seasons (Asheville,NWA)

If you can't handle winter looks like your options are LA, Tuscon, Phoenix, Austin, San Antonio, New Orleans, Orlando, Miami.
Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:50 pm to
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Why would you consider places that are notions for snow and cold (Boise,SLC) or are known for having 4 seasons (Asheville,NWA)


For my children. Boise is a GREAT place to grow up. I carry a guilt about what I pussy I am and am reminded of it every time I notice we are surrounded by trash.

For some reason heat attracts trash. PHX and ATX are both high on my list. I see ATX as a bubble and the housing to traffic ratio is getting expensive. PHX is neat and I think has a lot going for it but is basically covered in dust. I really think if Boise were 10 degrees warmer it would be near perfect for us.

Boise at least has a drier cold. Wet cold is what gets me.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 2:53 pm to
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I don't care about the Razorbacks or Walmart. Would that be a problem?



probably.

There's a huge contingency of Indian IT people that Walmart has brought in doing work on the side. I think it's a cool part of our diversity.

Personally, having grown up out in the countryside in NWA I'm always yearning for places that have more going on, more entertainment, more water, more mountains, better weather etc.

It's still growing too fast here and planning and aesthetics are something I loathe but Walmart money is changing a lot of that. Springdale just approved a 9 figure master plan for downtown revitilization.

You may not be a big Walmart fan, but luckily for you JB Hunt is adding 1,000 more jobs and Logistics firms are flocking here. Lots of IT opportunity there and with the Walmart Vendors and Tysons and other poultry companies too.

There's a lot of growth here and especially in that sector. Soon we'll have a young population of coders too as computer programming classes are now a requirement in all of Arkansas' public schools.

There's a lot happening here, it's why I'm basing my business here and outsourcing some of the more visual parts of the business to folks based in cultural centers of the globe.

I'd recommend to bring the kids up for a real low-key short vacation. Bike the Greenway, take a few hikes, mosey around the towns, eat out at a couple mom and pop places, go to Eureka Springs. Just do the normal stuff a family that lives here would do.

Business wise it's very very hospitable to new business, there's some clique-behavior like anywhere but it takes time to develop trust and relationships.

It's a nice place for raising families, actually it's the only area I'd ever consider in Arkansas. The public schools in NWA are really good and destroy other areas of the state in most all metrics. The small town schools are some of the better small schools you'll find in the country to be honest. There's all the pitfalls any community has ya know, it's just not as prevalent and hard to find ways to be a frickup, but kids w/o motivation find ways.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:01 pm to
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What happens when WM stops requiring vendors to be located there? What if Amazon and jet destroy WM?



None of that is going to happen.

Walmart has specific goals that pertain to re-investing in Arkansas. Efficiency is at the root of vendors needing to be located close-by.

When Walmart calls a meeting, they're not going to wait 3 days for people to fly in. They made that move 25+ years ago.

With 3 Fortune 500 companies based in NWA and growing there's a ton of options, and NWA was just named a best place for startups outside of Silicon Valley and NYC.

The economy here isn't tied to just one sector. Rogers lost a huge manufacturing facility when Superior Wheel shut down its plant there. 1200 good paying jobs that did not require degrees gone. There's not been much of a ripple at all from losing those jobs. Guys went from the factory back to construction or working at other factories in the area for albeit less money but there were other jobs they stepped right into.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77748 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:04 pm to
How does it compare to SW Arkansas or NE Arkansas?
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:08 pm to
There's no comparison.

It's 2 different worlds.
Posted by Hawgeye
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:18 pm to
No better place to live in the country IMO.

The airport is small but has direct flights to a lot of major cities due to Walmart and all of its partners.

NWA is one of the top 10 places for start up business in the nation.

You get all four seasons.

It will get cold, but its not like living in Colorado. A few years ago, we had a winter where we got around 15" of snow one month then got over 20" of snow another month. Thing is, the temp's are so up and down, it doesn't stay around all winter long. Usually a couple days then it is gone and back in the 40's or 50's.

It does get warm in the summer(80's & 90's)but no humidity, so it is quite pleasant. The nights will cool off and most all year you can use your fire pit in the back yard.

Plenty of things to do outdoors. You're in the Ozarks. Go hiking, go biking, go fishing, go hunting. Go do whatever.

All of the public schools are pretty much great. Top of the state. If public school isn't your thing, there are plenty of private schools to choose from as well.

Low crime rate. Like, very low crime. Springdale may be the most "criminal" city in NWA, but it still is a low number.
Posted by theOG
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:21 pm to
this is making me want to move.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:21 pm to
There is very little wrong with that area. Never lived there, but spent tons of time there and have many friends in the area. I would move there in a heartbeat
Posted by Hawgeye
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Member since Jun 2009
32428 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:23 pm to
As far as your thoughts on a start up company.

Fayetteville recently ranked 3rd in the nation outside of Silicon Valley...

Fayetteville #3

quote:

3. Fayetteville, AR
Ironically, Fayetteville's startup community is supported by three huge multinational companies: transportation giant J.B. Hunt, Tyson Foods and Walmart. These three companies offer capital, mentoring and a market for young startups. In fact, one of its high-profile accelerators, Startup Junkie's 2.7.0. Accelerator, is specifically focused on developing logistics, food and retail ventures. Another, ScaleUp Ozarks, is focused on companies with high growth potential and boasts a cohort that is 79% female, minority or veteran. Fayetteville also boasts a strong density of early-stage startups - nearly 10 times the average of cities analyzed - and its very low cost of living is a major draw for pre-funding companies.

Key initiative: Involve large companies

Startups and large, established companies have a lot to offer each other. The former bring fresh ideas, adaptability and new talent; the latter are more able to bear risk and so are a steady source of funding. Between the good sources of capital for retail, food and logistics companies and the low cost of living, Fayetteville makes funding a startup much easier.




Livibility.com rated Fayetteville....

2015: Top 100 Places to Live
2014: Top 100 Places to Live
2014: Top 10 College Towns
2013: Top 10 College Towns
2012: Top 10 BBQ Cities
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 3:32 pm
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15413 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:29 pm to
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How does it compare to SW Arkansas or NE Arkansas?

Different culture, different terrain, different weather patterns.

There are a lot of Midwestern people, Yankees, and messicans in NWA that have made it kind of an odd (to me) culture. NWA is absolutely, 100%, not a southern feel. Definitely more of a Midwestern type of culture.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70162 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:36 pm to
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messicans in NWA


You can thank Tyson Foods for that. 90% of chicken plant workers are mexican or black
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
77748 posts
Posted on 12/17/15 at 3:41 pm to
Different weather patterns??
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