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re: Is ATC the next profession primed for "automation" in the wake of this crash?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:03 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:03 pm to Jcorye1
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While tragic, out of the millions of flights, one went wrong.
I wonder how many helicopters have passed through that same corridor before this tragedy. A significant number.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:06 pm to KosmoCramer
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100% of the responsibility when flying VFR is with the pilot to see and avoid all aircraft in the airspace.
Yes. The second he said "aircraft in sight," it's his responsibility.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:06 pm to sidewalkside
There’s already some automation built in. The airspace is packed. You want a qualified human with eyes on the situation.
We need MORE controllers while building more automation into things.
We need MORE controllers while building more automation into things.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:07 pm to GEAUXT
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Yes. The second he said "aircraft in sight," it's his responsibility.
It was always his responsibility, but especially after that.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:10 pm to Jcorye1
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While tragic, out of the millions of flights, one went wrong.
This though allegedly a lot of near misses lately
Or maybe all the near misses of the past just werent really reported
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:11 pm to Cosmo
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Or maybe all the near misses of the past just werent really reported
a lot more than people are aware of, especially on the ground
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:17 pm to sidewalkside
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Is ATC the next profession primed for "automation" in the wake of this crash?
Not a pilot, but my understanding of what happens when a pilot declares an emergency (for example), a lot of what happens next is ATC/controlling agencies working with the pilot to troubleshoot and get on the ground safely.
Pilots, feel free to chime in, but I think I’d rather do that with a person as opposed to ChatGPT or DeepSeek.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:00 pm to Dadren
This was caused by the helo pilot mid identifying the traffic. Not an ATC issue.
The other thing that needs to be addressed is the avionics in these planes. Experimental avionics from garmin are miles ahead of what is found in certified planes. They introduce new avionics to the experimental market and once they are worked out, they go through the expensive and intensive process of “certifying” the avionics for certified airplanes. The avionics in 90% of the commercial planes are so old and outdated they are still unsung green dot matrix style screens and very manual inputs for everything. Modern avionics, that aren’t available in these planes are 40-50 years more advanced. Think about flying a plane with a 1st gen pc vs modern ones.
The few planes that have been certified to accept the new avionics pay 10x the price for them vs the exact same thing that goes into experimental aircraft. Most of that added cost is for liability reasons, not actual differences.
Look at a modern Cessna business jet or the cirrus aircraft vs a commercial airliner. The capability and ease of use would blow you away. Traffic alerts being one of the least of these differences. The garmin system gives traffic alerts along with a map showing where the traffic is even on the ground.
The other thing that needs to be addressed is the avionics in these planes. Experimental avionics from garmin are miles ahead of what is found in certified planes. They introduce new avionics to the experimental market and once they are worked out, they go through the expensive and intensive process of “certifying” the avionics for certified airplanes. The avionics in 90% of the commercial planes are so old and outdated they are still unsung green dot matrix style screens and very manual inputs for everything. Modern avionics, that aren’t available in these planes are 40-50 years more advanced. Think about flying a plane with a 1st gen pc vs modern ones.
The few planes that have been certified to accept the new avionics pay 10x the price for them vs the exact same thing that goes into experimental aircraft. Most of that added cost is for liability reasons, not actual differences.
Look at a modern Cessna business jet or the cirrus aircraft vs a commercial airliner. The capability and ease of use would blow you away. Traffic alerts being one of the least of these differences. The garmin system gives traffic alerts along with a map showing where the traffic is even on the ground.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 6:31 am
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:03 pm to sidewalkside
Maybe not after we all see it’s a transgender pilot they called a female today but is actually a bio male.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:48 pm to Alabama Slim
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You can thank their union for that.
That is patently false. NATCA has been active partners (often leading) in technological and airspace improvements since the early 90s except for the 3-4 years of the White Book.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:52 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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ATC should not have given them the direction to pass behind the traffic like they did. They should have immediately told them where to divert to and what altitude to be at.
I’m ATC, this is completely wrong.
“Pass behind” is a very common instruction given to helos.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:00 pm to sidewalkside
Aside from blatant and extremely racist against whites non-hiring practices the ATC implemented over the last few years, why should they be held accountable for this incident in which a lunatic Tranny purposefully committed mass homicide?
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:14 pm to KosmoCramer
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More likely that the helicopter pilot thought he was complying but misidentified which traffic ATC was referring to.
Speculating, but I think this is exactly what happened.
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