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re: Is America powerful because of its aircraft carriers, or nuclear subs?
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:50 am to Mars duMorgue
Posted on 6/18/16 at 10:50 am to Mars duMorgue
Seriously?
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Posted on 6/18/16 at 11:05 am to Mars duMorgue
Well it's a good thing our submarines aren't hunting Dolphins, isn't it?
Posted on 6/18/16 at 11:09 am to Hulkklogan
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Well it's a good thing our submarines aren't hunting Dolphins, isn't it?
you just triggered yogagirl
Posted on 6/18/16 at 11:21 am to Sterling Archer
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Holy shite That can't be right can it? I know I remember hearing we spend more that the next 10 countries combined but China and Russia only have one aircraft carrier per??
And China's is an old refitted Ukrainian (USSR) one.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 12:03 pm to PatDyesPants
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Which element of our armed forces projects the most power?
He's not asking what is the most, powerful. But what projects the most power.
I would argue Carriers, because they are the most seen. Subs unseen. Air Force unseen. Ground forces largely unseen.
The guy that argues China has a ton of anti-ship missiles, actually proves my argument. It proves that China considers Carriers a great threat.
I must reiterate, the op is not asking what is the most powerful weapon. But what projects that power. Anyone that disagrees, should read Mahan. I know its 125 years old, but it is still relevant today. It's about PROJECTING power, not what is the most powerful. It's still required reading at the Academy.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 12:24 pm to PatDyesPants
America is powerful because of the dramatic rise that took place on the account of tons of land, natural resources, and cheap labor to take advantage of it all. On top of that the world wars advanced the US to the front of the pack, while Europe had to rebuild.
The US then saw a huge boom in the 50's and 60's due to all the STEM and general attitude in America that government an people in general can do anything it wants to do. We set out to the moon and did it and I think this was a huge part of a culture of success. On top of that we had a very progressive income tax system where people got the shite taxed out of them but it was all good because we believed that the government could build infrastructure and take care of people. A huge chunk of the infrastructure we used to day was built before 1970.
The US then saw a huge boom in the 50's and 60's due to all the STEM and general attitude in America that government an people in general can do anything it wants to do. We set out to the moon and did it and I think this was a huge part of a culture of success. On top of that we had a very progressive income tax system where people got the shite taxed out of them but it was all good because we believed that the government could build infrastructure and take care of people. A huge chunk of the infrastructure we used to day was built before 1970.
Posted on 6/18/16 at 3:43 pm to NavyLSUAlum
I found this article about the Chinese Navy to be very intersting
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-chinas-navy-rapidly-modernized-to-rival-the-uss/ss-AAhdYpT?ocid=spartanntp
I don't know that I entirely believe that, but...Slide 3 of 17:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-chinas-navy-rapidly-modernized-to-rival-the-uss/ss-AAhdYpT?ocid=spartanntp
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A recent report from the US Congressional Research Service details how China's navy, the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), has undergone a stunning modernization push that puts it near parity with the US.
I don't know that I entirely believe that, but...Slide 3 of 17:
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China's DF-21D "Carrier Killer" ballistic missile is the cause of much concern for US naval planners. The missile has a tremendous range of about 810 nautical miles, far beyond the range of a US aircraft carriers' highest-endurance planes, effectively denying them the luxury of lurking off China's coast in the Western Pacific while in striking range.
The DF-21D uses a range of sensors to adjust its course during firing. This means that it can hit a moving target at sea in sub-optimal conditions and presents difficulties to any missile trying to intercept it. The DF-21D can deliver a high-explosive, radio-frequency, or even cluster warheads, which all but guarantee a kill, even against a formidable target such as a US aircraft carrier.
This post was edited on 6/19/16 at 4:22 am
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