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re: Is alligator overpopulation a huge problem, or no?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:00 pm to SemperFiDawg
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:00 pm to SemperFiDawg
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All the reputations of every hunter combined isn't worth the life of a human being, much less a child.
Give me a break dude. You do realize that there is a long list of things that have a signifcantly better chance of killing your child than fkn alligators, right? How did your son almost get attacked? I'll just go ahead and assume that he was making himself vulnerable (under your supervision I presume.)
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Yeah, they're so "keystone" that when they were almost extinct it made absolutely no difference in the ecosystem other than humans weren't on the food chain of an apex predator. I call that progress and I don't need to research it. I'm old enough to have lived it. They are just like a Rattle Snake. If they ceased to exist today another creature would just seamlessly fill the void and nature wouldn't blink an eye with the caveat humans wouldn't be part of the food chain.
Speechless.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 8:01 pm
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:23 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Yes, damn water possums are everywhere.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:30 pm to Funky Tide 8
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My cousin is head of alligator and crocodile management in Florida, and I can assure you, this is not the case
There are supposedly 1.3 million alligators in Florida. Their issue is encroachment of population and suburban people feeding and treating pea brained 600# plus eating machines as novelties. These Florida animals have zero fear of humans and see them as a food supplier.
Louisiana gators are still scared of people. The gators I see in my Delacroix lease are big and plentiful, but haul arse when we come around. I’m not exaggerating when I say a 20 minute boat ride is like a wild kingdom show with me seeing 20+ gators with at least 6-7 10+ ft. One big boy is at least 12+ ft.
No one hunts with dogs and I lose ducks to gators.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:11 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Everglades
why the hell do grown human beings allow python populations to expand?
There's not much that humans can do at this point. The damage is done. They have hunters that go out pretty much every night and capture and kill them, but a single female can lay up to 100 eggs at a time. Not to mention, the Everglades is massive with lots of hiding spots. You can walk past a 20 footer and never even know.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:15 pm to Gifman
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the python population is a larger problem... they're killing off the alligator population in the Everglades
I see wayyyy more gators and crocs than I see pythons in the Everglades - apparently those pythons still have a lot of work to do.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:19 pm to terriblegreen
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I never understood why Florida doesn't let you kill them. They will let you catch them but not kill them. They need to just be slaughtered
Just the opposite - you’ll get busted for transporting one live if you catch it. They require that you kill them where you find them - though it must be done humanely. No bag limit, no permit required. If you want to get paid though, you need to be licensed. I’m heading back to the Everglades next Saturday. Mostly hoping to catch some Eastern Diamondback rattlesnakes, though we’ll do some night cruising for pythons too. The warmer months are better, though my buddy down there just got a big python a few weeks ago.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:23 pm to Funky Tide 8
Man, it smell like bitch in here
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:25 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
A guy I used to work for 50 years ago, had a hunting camp up in Eudora and said there were a lot of alligators there, some 12 footers too.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:10 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
What I don’t understand is the reasoning behind having a season for nutria and feral hogs. Why isn’t that encouraged year round to get rid of those things? They destroy wetlands and crops respectively. Why not kill every one you run across year round?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:27 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
As long as we hungry nope.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 11:28 pm to Mike da Tigah
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What I don’t understand is the reasoning behind having a season for nutria and feral hogs.
What?
This is for Louisiana:
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Feral Hog Control
Hog control methods used in Louisiana include recreational hunting and trapping as well as daylight and nighttime shooting by private landowners and aerial gunning via helicopter for nuisance wildlife control.
If you hold a valid Louisiana Basic Hunting License, you may take feral hogs (where legal) year-round during legal daylight shooting hours. See current regulations for more information, including taking feral hogs on wildlife management areas and other public lands.
On private property, the landowner, or his lessee or agent with the landowner’s written permission and contact information in his possession, may take feral hogs year-round at night (one-half hour after official sunset to one-half hour before official sunrise).
Posted on 2/14/25 at 4:12 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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we've got 12 footers in Central Arkansas now, and that's just from people I know personally
You must be young.
My sister was dating a guy when alligator trapping began again in LA in the mid 70's. 12 footers were the little ones, he trapped only 12-16 footers with 28 tags. Trapping was only in Cameron and Vermillion parishes the first few seasons. The season had opened because after trapping them to ship live to Florida, Georgia and Arkansas to replenish depleted populations, they were still attacking toddlers, pets, chickens and pigs in the area.
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 4:14 am
Posted on 2/14/25 at 6:01 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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Is alligator overpopulation a huge problem, or no
Per google, populations-
Arkansas 2000-3000 mostly in southern part of state.
Florida 1.3 million
Louisiana 2 million +
You don’t have an overpopulation problem in Arkansas.
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 6:11 am
Posted on 2/14/25 at 7:02 am to Harry Rex Vonner
The population has gotten ridiculous on some federal refuges because the feds won’t allow a gator harvest on those properties. At least LDWF has a lottery on the WMA’s that have gator populations.
Population is exploding in a lot of places because not as many people are hunting them commercially because decreased hide demand plus farm raised gators have killed the commercial value for wild caught ones. Doesn’t take long for the population to blow up when a property that used to fill dozens of tags every year isn’t hunted anymore.
Population is exploding in a lot of places because not as many people are hunting them commercially because decreased hide demand plus farm raised gators have killed the commercial value for wild caught ones. Doesn’t take long for the population to blow up when a property that used to fill dozens of tags every year isn’t hunted anymore.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 7:27 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Man, it smell like bitch in here
Right? Imagine being a grown man and scared of alligators.
Posted on 2/14/25 at 7:47 am to LSUDUCKMAN67
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They are a huge problem in south Louisiana. The farms have ran the normal trappers out due to the buyers wanting certain size gators blemish free. (8ft gators are ones of choice).the price of the hides and meat are also lower than what it used to be so a lot of people do not want to waste there time anymore.
Also have to figure gator farms have to release a certain amount of gators where they pull eggs from. So instead of Mother Nature taking its course ur now putting older raised killing machines back into the wild.
I know a lot of old school hunters they also “retired” and the younger generation isn’t picking up the slack.
Dude that response was worth the entirety of doing this thread.
This topic to me is fascinating.
ETA: and it's sad because some people are so crass
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 7:49 am
Posted on 2/14/25 at 7:47 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Why is this a problem? Are they killing children and/or people?
By all means let's wait for that to happen before we address it
Posted on 2/14/25 at 7:48 am to TigrrrDad
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I see wayyyy more gators and crocs than I see pythons in the Everglades - apparently those pythons still have a lot of work to do.
it's wayyyyyyy easier to spot a gator or croc than a python
Posted on 2/14/25 at 7:52 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Yes they are overpopulated. The main problem is you have so many farms selling alligators that saturate the market. For every alligator they harvested they had to release one into the wild if I'm not mistaken. Then you have the tag allocation and what they pay for each tag. When prices per foot drop its harder for the commercial guys to make any money.
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