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Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:18 pm to biohzrd
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Did they not have a confined space entry attendant with a meter? This is totally avoidable. Some heads will roll over this as it should be!!
The attendant doesn’t have a meter. Just a radio and an entry log showing who has cone in and out of the vessel. And a rescue team is on stand by. The sniff test is done by an operator prior to entry.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:20 pm to Doug_H
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It was not a confined space entry!
It was not phosgene.
It was 2 contractors working on a PSV
Kinda hard to get asphyxiated outside if you're not in a confined space, though. Maybe they were in supplied air and something went wrong with that?
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:21 pm to Raz
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Yep. Nitrogen, steam & condensate kill & injure more people than any other chemicals in the chemical industry.
Don’t forget about chlorine. If you see that green cloud, run.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:21 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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The attendant doesn’t have a meter. Just a radio and an entry log showing who has cone in and out of the vessel. And a rescue team is on stand by. The sniff test is done by an operator prior to entry.
We always continuously monitor confined spaces, as well as having personal monitors on all entrants.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:24 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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The attendant doesn’t have a meter. Just a radio and an entry log showing who has cone in and out of the vessel. And a rescue team is on stand by. The sniff test is done by an operator prior to entry.
I guess it’s different plant to plant. While our operators are required to LOTO, sniff, and so on, the hole watch on our confined space entries have to provide continuous monitoring.
Again different companies may have different rules in place. Still this should have been avoided.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:24 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Don’t forget about chlorine. If you see that green cloud, run
You want a shite your pants scenario, I remember one night having to suit up and wade through a cloud of chlorine in order to tighten a leaky valve. Probably about 2 am. It was surreal. Definitely a puckered butthole moment. Getting hit with even a little bit of chlorine will frick your day up.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:27 pm to ForLSU56
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True and nitrogen exposure on CS with buddy going to help someone down happens WAY too often
You literally have to fight every instinct in those situations, which is why it’s so common to have 2 fatalities instead of one. Often it’s someone you’ve worked years with. It screws with your head.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:29 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
idk what kind of mom and pop operation you work or have worked at, but if there is a confined space entry, there should also be continuous air monitoring and or oxygen supply/ventilation while the confined space is occupied.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:30 pm to Doug_H
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It was 2 contractors working on a PSV
So if it was a PSV it was not properly isolated. They are either a single relief valve that must take out a vessel in order to pull it, or it has a 3 way valve with a pair. They could have switched out the wrong PSV and they unbolted the live one. Either way, Ops, workers, foreman all should have caught it on the JSA and permit.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:31 pm to Honkus
quote:Looks like they did.
Ban this frick already
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:36 pm to thotpocket
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idk what kind of mom and pop operation you work or have worked at, but if there is a confined space entry, there should also be continuous air monitoring and or oxygen supply/ventilation while the confined space is occupied. the confined space is occupied. and or oxygen supply/ventilation while the confined space is occupied.
Sure there is. Never said there wasn’t. You do realize the attendant is a laborer right? And she (and me and you both know it’s usually a she sitting on a bucket by the hole) is usually not the one holding the sniffer. That’s all I’m saying. She’s watching them and in radio coms with them. I suppose there could ge a sniffer at the hole too. But yes, continuous monitoring.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:36 pm to Doug_H
Any idea what contractor?
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:40 pm to msap9020
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Educational moment: BASF = Badische Anilin & Sodafabrik
English translation from German = Baden Aniline & Soda Factory
A friend who worked for them in Michigan said it was:
BigAss Soap Factory
and I've never been able to think of it any other way.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:51 pm to fr33manator
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You want a shite your pants scenario, I remember one night having to suit up and wade through a cloud of chlorine in order to tighten a leaky valve. Probably about 2 am. It was surreal. Definitely a puckered butthole moment. Getting hit with even a little bit of chlorine will frick your day up.
just curious where you worked around the mean green. I worked on a diaphragm and membrane cell line for 5 years. it was sort of a right of passage to get gassed
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:54 pm to Tigercowboy
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They called me this morning to offer me an internship
Congrats. Are you ChemEng?
Posted on 10/15/21 at 4:59 pm to jamiegla1
I’ve worked in both refineries and chemical plants for over 16 years, as a planner. I can’t say this with 100% certainty, but I believe both, no matter what kind of product they make, are going to have chlorine. Just like all have nitrogen, steam, etc.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 5:05 pm to T
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Any idea what contractor?
Zachry
Posted on 10/15/21 at 5:30 pm to choupiquesushi
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Kill 4 yard workers going into a void on a carrier when I was in USN.
Medical equipment I worked around used liquid nitrogen and helium, there were at least a couple of fatalities from nitrogen inhalation during the years I was involved.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 5:57 pm to Doug_H
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was not a confined space entry! It was not phosgene. It was 2 contractors working on a PSV
That’s what I heard.
They removed a PSV when there was still a N2 flush going on in the line. Contractor was suffocated by N2
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