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re: I'm glad the BLM crowd is so dedicated to equality
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:19 pm to slackster
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:19 pm to slackster
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The overwhelming majority of Asians in the US are first and second generation immigrants. The kind of person who comes to the US in the last 50 years is not exactly a random selection of Asians
I don't see your point? So what if they were immigrants. That puts them at a even greater disadvantage by not knowing the language.
My point is that there was a large racial group in the US that suffered from an indisputable act of CLEAR CUT RACISM. There is no dispute. And they are somehow able to overcome that easily.
It doesn't matter if they are immigrants. All that matters is how the US population viewed the Japanese. Clearly bad enough to put them in prison camps.
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Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:20 pm to RoosterCogburn585
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The old "the facts don't support my argument and are irrelevant" has happened yet again. So let's just go with what our gut and the media tell us. Same thing happens with global warming, lol
What are you talking about?
The facts 100% support the claim that being born white, even after you account for all other factors, is better than being born black, yet people are still arguing otherwise 5 pages later. Acknowledging that doesn't mean you are taking responsibility for it.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:25 pm to slackster
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In a question on whether it is better to be born black or white, the underlying issues are irrelevant. All that matters is if the problems exist at all. We're not trying to solve black poverty in this context, we just need to know if it exists.
Who the frick is not acknowledging black poverty? That's not even up for debate. You are just trying to weasel out of what your original argument was.
Even if you argue it is better to be born white. That is due to the underlying issues of why it is bad to be born black.... Poverty... Due to lack of family structure and emphasis on education.
You can't just stop tracing the problem back at some random point. Actions have consequences.
So really, you are just trying to say it's better to be born into a good family that values education. Right?
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:25 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The point is that very few of the ones in the US can trace their ancestry to people in prison camps. The fact that they're immigrants is very relevant. Imagine if there was a country that offered more opportunities than the US, but you couldn't just walk there. What segment of our population do you think would find a way there? It wouldn't be the lazy dumbasses, would it? The smartest and hardest workers would get there. They would have kids there. They numbers would be heavily skewed as a result.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:25 pm to slackster
And being born super intelligent or a 5 star athlete or with a trust fund is all better than what I was born with. Why does race even have to be factored? You live with what you got and try to improve yourself constantly.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:28 pm to TigahTeeth
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Hell, for that matter my ancestors aren't even from here. They're from Sicily, you know, where the Moors from AFRICA invaded and conquered! So frick'em.
Oh, Noooo, I'm so sorry. It's the MOOPS. The correct answer is, The MOOPS.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:29 pm to slackster
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The point is that very few of the ones in the US can trace their ancestry to people in prison camps
No
That's not the point. It doesn't matter how many can trace there ancestry back to prison camps. If you are black and living in the ninth ward does it matter if you can trace your ancestry back to slavery? No. I'm using that example to show you that even in situations of extreme racism people can still achieve success in a fair system. We are assuming we have a fair system right? You keep skirting around answering that question.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:30 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Sigh. So we agree you're much more likely to be born poor if you're born black. We also agree that you're much more likely to be born into a single parent household if you're born black.
Now, knowing that, if you could choose one or the other, which would you choose? You don't need to qualify it with some caveat, you just pick the one that gives you the best chance for success, in your opinion.
Now, knowing that, if you could choose one or the other, which would you choose? You don't need to qualify it with some caveat, you just pick the one that gives you the best chance for success, in your opinion.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:36 pm to slackster
What are you trying to prove? This is typical BLM/Progressive bullshite semantics
Your argument proves nothing of substance
You are much more likely to be born poor and in a single family household if you are born into a community/culture that doesn't value the family structure or education.
Isn't semantics great. Correlation doesn't equal causation. The color of their skin only matters if you are implying racism is the cause.
Your argument proves nothing of substance
You are much more likely to be born poor and in a single family household if you are born into a community/culture that doesn't value the family structure or education.
Isn't semantics great. Correlation doesn't equal causation. The color of their skin only matters if you are implying racism is the cause.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:38 pm to WaWaWeeWa
We're discussing black people in America, right? And Asians in America, right?
If so, how long they've been here is a pretty big deal. The system is fair now, but you cannot act like we're all born with a clean slate. Being born into a cycle of poverty, regardless of race is very difficult to overcome. When one or two races are much more likely to be born into that, you cannot just ignore it.
If so, how long they've been here is a pretty big deal. The system is fair now, but you cannot act like we're all born with a clean slate. Being born into a cycle of poverty, regardless of race is very difficult to overcome. When one or two races are much more likely to be born into that, you cannot just ignore it.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:41 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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What are you trying to prove?
Apparently the impossible.
The suggestion that being born white, on the whole, is better than being born black is blasphemous apparently.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:45 pm to slackster
the color of their skin only matters if you are implying racism is the cause. Otherwise you could pick any other variable.
So I will ask again. Is racism the cause?
You refuse to answer the question
So I will ask again. Is racism the cause?
You refuse to answer the question
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:49 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I've addressed that earlier in the thread. I don't think it is a conscious racism, but there are inherent benefits of belonging to the race in the vast majority of positions of power. I think human nature causes us to err on the side of those who look like us.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:51 pm to slackster
So there are more Asians in positions of power than blacks?
Because last time I checked there was a black person in the white house.
Try again
Because last time I checked there was a black person in the white house.
Try again
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:52 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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the color of their skin only matters if you are implying racism is the cause. Otherwise you could pick any other variable.
Pick any variable you want. I'm picking race.
Race A has a 1 in 3 chance of being born poor.
Race B has a 1 in 10 chance.
Apparently this board doesn't care which race they get because as long as you work hard everything will be OK.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:55 pm to slackster
So you are saying that if you work hard everything won't be ok only because of the fact of someone's race. A white person and a black person work just as hard as one another but the white guy is always gonna come out ahead because he's white? Come one man....
Posted on 7/27/16 at 5:57 pm to slackster
No offense, but you are getting destroyed in this argument.
You are just picking one variable that has nothing to do with the problem. But then again you aren't concerned with the problem, you already admitted that. Just concerned with your agenda.
If you change the variable to:
Group A is a group of people from single parent homes and lack of educated parents
Vs
Group B is a group with both parents that have finished high school
I would be willing to bet that the results are even more dramatic than 3x more likely to have a future chance of success. Again, in my opinion skin color does not matter nearly as much as you think if you control for poverty and family support.
You are just picking one variable that has nothing to do with the problem. But then again you aren't concerned with the problem, you already admitted that. Just concerned with your agenda.
If you change the variable to:
Group A is a group of people from single parent homes and lack of educated parents
Vs
Group B is a group with both parents that have finished high school
I would be willing to bet that the results are even more dramatic than 3x more likely to have a future chance of success. Again, in my opinion skin color does not matter nearly as much as you think if you control for poverty and family support.
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 7/27/16 at 6:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
This would be alot easier if I didn't have to connect every dot for some of you.
Many Asians are first and second generation immigrants. They are often the best and brightest of their respective home country. They are a skewed sample size and aren't even worth comparing to a race that is largely 3rd generation or longer.
When you have a race who was legally considered a second class citizen 50-60 years ago, you cannot simply blame every problem on their culture.
Many Asians are first and second generation immigrants. They are often the best and brightest of their respective home country. They are a skewed sample size and aren't even worth comparing to a race that is largely 3rd generation or longer.
When you have a race who was legally considered a second class citizen 50-60 years ago, you cannot simply blame every problem on their culture.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 6:04 pm to RoosterCogburn585
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So you are saying that if you work hard everything won't be ok only because of the fact of someone's race. A white person and a black person work just as hard as one another but the white guy is always gonna come out ahead because he's white? Come one man....
My opinion on this doesn't even matter. The question is which one would you rather be to start your life.
Posted on 7/27/16 at 6:06 pm to slackster
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When you have a race who was legally considered a second class citizen 50-60 years ago, you cannot simply blame every problem on their culture.
Ahhh your real agenda comes out. You want to convince us that slavery/racism is the result of these problems. I thought you didn't care about the real problem?
Everyone is an immigrant. So what group do you want to use? Mexicans, Irish, etc?
This post was edited on 7/27/16 at 6:08 pm
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