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re: I'm convinced education's steep decline began and continues today for 3 main reasons!

Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
21122 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:09 pm to
1. Shitty parents
2. Liberal teachers
3. Godless culture
Posted by Lolathon234
Rio
Member since Oct 2022
1351 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:14 pm to
Dumb people are easier to control

Also they're generally happier, ignorance is bliss

/thread
Posted by ImJustaBoy
Member since Oct 2023
1475 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:19 pm to
It’s because most teachers are liberals. Liberals cannot instill discipline well. Bath in your mess. Public schools shouldn’t resemble a prison and prison life, but yet they have been identical to a prison for over 100 years. Kids are catching on and have lost all faith. You can’t lie to kids anymore, research is to easily attainable, you can’t indoctrinate them with false lies anymore, they see through it and you as an adult/teacher lose all credibility after. School has always been free daycare, you don’t learn much other than STEM past 8th grade. They teach US history 3 times by the 11th grade, why? Use high school to only teach STEM and HVAC, Electrician, nursing, autotech, cosmology. You will see quick results if education would switch to a hands on learning like technical school. Kids are bored because school is taught in a boring manner. I promise you, think back as a student, were you ever bored during shop class, ag class, welding? but guarantee you were bored to death in English IV.
Posted by Bongo
Member since Aug 2020
183 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:19 pm to
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What values are we instilling in our schools? Are we bringing up kids who abide by a certain honor code because we teach that it is right, or have we dismissed the notion of right altogether and leave the void totally open? Life skills? Like truth telling, dignity, respect for others, judging history, assessing the current situation. This stuff appears in every subject in school as well as how we treat one another while at school.


You don’t need religion in schools to teach respect and dignity. There is no place for religious indoctrination in public schools.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83326 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:26 pm to
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There is no place for religious indoctrination in public schools.


Agreed - too broad

Christian indoctrination only
Posted by Bongo
Member since Aug 2020
183 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:28 pm to
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Agreed - too broad Christian indoctrination only


Then send your kids to a private Christian school.
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
8448 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:44 pm to
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. Removal of good, old fashioned discipline - when teachers/administrators loss the ability to spank a student, the classroom was changed forever and not for the better. Today, students will tell you that you even touch them in any way that they're going to sue you. These days a student can curse you out, walkout of your class, bully/assault others, bring drugs to school, steal and destroy school property and they will be suspended for a few days, but will be right back in your classroom.


I can tell you without a doubt this isn’t it. I was paddled a few times as a student in the late 90s. So we’re a ton of my peers. We were still all shitheads.
Posted by Finch
Member since Jun 2015
3506 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:46 pm to
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Was wondering when the pushback will start - could parents/former students sue because of the dumbing down of education?


Nobody is forcing a child to go to public school. What is your justification for suing the school system?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83326 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:46 pm to
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Then send your kids to a private Christian school.


Sure, that's a stop gap option
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21060 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:47 pm to
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Bongo
Yet another one who just doesn’t understand. I’d love to email back and forth, but I realize that’s unlikely.

The religious void will always be filled. Have you been under a rock?
Indoctrination will happen.
Whether woke, materialist atheism, or theism. Neutrality is a total myth. It’s not even a legitimate goal. It’ll never happen.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83326 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:48 pm to
Conservatives (and frankly, normal/productive people generally) conceded K-12 education and higher education to the left a long time ago. With pretty predictable results.

There is a reason classical charter schools have multi year wait lists.
Posted by SwampyWaters
Member since Apr 2023
1901 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:01 pm to

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1. Shitty parents
2. Liberal teachers
3. Godless culture


Points 1 and 3 are very true, but being liberal or conservative has nothing to do with the current educational system today. Regardless if you're conservative or liberal, today's public school teacher better learn to play the game, or I promise you, that teacher will not be on the roster for next year.

In a nutshell, the big wigs want you to do the best you can teaching, keep the circus underneath the tent (good classroom management) and make sure you make the numbers look good at the end of the year (at any means possible), so everyone will be happy, even if it's a complete lie!
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21060 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:10 pm to
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conceded K-12 education and higher education to the left a long time ago. With pretty predictable results.
Should be all that the secularist in here need to know. It’s so glaringly obvious.
Posted by Klondikekajun
Member since Jun 2020
1404 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:18 pm to
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The real answer is shrinking budgets



If this was the issue, why are private schools doing exceptionally better at lower per student spending?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
21060 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:20 pm to
Well isn’t this timely…
A friend just alerted me to this essay from the New York Review of Books:

Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32584 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:22 pm to
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The real answer is shrinking budgets
. The US is 4th in spending on public education
Posted by tickfawtiger
Killian LA
Member since Sep 2005
11315 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:23 pm to
THIS !
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32584 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:24 pm to
1. The creation of the federal dept of education
2. The breakdown of the nuclear family

3. Parents that don’t prioritize education
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
3178 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:24 pm to
There are some students who don’t want to be there and simply keep others from learning. We should oblige their wishes and not require them to be there. Let the one who want to learn and are hungry for knowledge stay.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83326 posts
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:34 pm to
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Should be all that the secularist in here need to know. It’s so glaringly obvious.


I'm biased, obviously. But if I were a secular person who was fairly traditional/valued wholesome things, I'd want my family to live in a culturally Christian environment.

We have lots and lots of evidence that these worldviews (conservatism, classical liberalism, etc.) just cannot be sustained very well without something with deeper roots holding them in place. Especially when you're in a field/environment that has really heavy influence from hardcore progressivism (Freire indoctrinated).
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