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re: if two people follow me around with guns while im going for a jog
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:24 am to dgnx6
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:24 am to dgnx6
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I don't want to stir up shite and get fired, but I desperately just want to start posting if we can do this for every black guy that gets murdered.
Have some balls and do it.
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Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:25 am to TitleistProV1X
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Have you had a gun or multiple pulled on you? If so, I assume you attacked and wrestled it away from the person. Were you able to apprehend him or did you just shoot him? This would be an amazing story that would most certainly make the news. Maybe you could link the article that was written about your heroism.
I have had a gun drawn on me. I was a bank teller. A guy ran in the door with a hand gun, jumped the counter and told us all to get on the floor.
No, I didn’t wrestle the gun away from him. I didn’t apprehend him. I froze. Literally froze. I couldn’t even say anything.
All of the robbery training we had went out the door. You’re supposed to comply with orders. Didn’t do that. Didn’t try to get any details of the robber. Didn’t do any of the robbery procedures (silent alarm, dye packs etc)
I just laid on the ground. Frozen and unable to speak.
So, my point is, you never know how you’re going to react. I guarantee you that unless you’ve had some kind of tactical training, you’re probably going off of whatever you’re feeling in the moment, which is why I say people shouldn’t be all like “this is a normal response, this isn’t”.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 10:27 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:26 am to dj30
No thanks, it's not worth being called a racist and harassed by just posting facts.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:27 am to Lsuhoohoo
Well obviously.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:27 am to dgnx6
The problem is more with the DA protecting the killers. Had they been arrested on the spot you wouldn’t be hearing about this.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:28 am to SulphursFinest
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The problem is more with the DA protecting the killers. Had they been arrested on the spot you wouldn’t be hearing about this.
I mean he’s entitled to an opinion, whether you agree with it or not. The case has been moved twice already and now the guys are in jail
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:30 am to The Pirate King
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now the guys are in jail
Only after the video was leaked and significant public outcry
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:30 am to The Pirate King
There are several cases already mentioned on this thread of her twisted office. It’s a problem in South Georgia
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:31 am to The Pirate King
And the guys are in jail only because of the public outrage. If not for this, they would have walked.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:34 am to CockyTime
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The travesty here is that the DA waited so long to arrest these pos guys.
The DA didn't arrest them. The Georgia BI did.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:34 am to rallyTiger
I can not wait for the riots.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:35 am to SulphursFinest
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The problem is more with the DA protecting the killers. Had they been arrested on the spot you wouldn’t be hearing about this.
Yes, and people have pointed it out. But the narrative has been, black guy gets murdered by white supremacists for jogging. No mention of DA.
I guess the point is these guys would have been arrested on the spot if they didn't Know the DA. It's not because they are white.
Or at least that's my thought. Like if I did this, I would have gone straight to jail because I have no connections like that.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:35 am to Gaston
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The shooter HAD to shoot him at that point. He was definitely going get that shotgun.
So you’re saying that the guy in front of the truck was justified in assuming that Arbery was going to kill him if Arbery got his gun, even though Arbery might have had no intention of firing and only wanted to use it to hold the others at bay? Yet somehow Arbery was not justified in assuming that the two armed men laying for him in the middle of the road and the third one pursuing him in a vehicle would shoot, and that his only chance of escape was to go for the gun.
Throw in the fact that there’s been no mention of any stolen property on his person, either in the news coverage or the official reports, and you can reasonably conclude he had no idea wtf their intentions were or why these three lunatics were drawing down on him. He was likely scared out of his mind and just reacted without thinking much. I don’t know how his going for the gun became this defining factor, because in light of everything above it’s a total red herring. These guys were obviously not playing with a full deck, and there appears to have been no legal basis for a citizens arrest in the first place. They may have found some insane reason to shoot him regardless of what he did at that point. The only thing that’s really relevant when evaluating blame is the cold hard fact that there would have been ZERO “defensive action” required had they never taken off with shotguns and chased/ambushed this guy in the first place.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:36 am to DeepBlueSea
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I don’t know how his going for the gun became this defining factor
Because that is the direct action that got him killed
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:39 am to dgnx6
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Yes, and people have pointed it out. But the narrative has been, black guy gets murdered by white supremacists for jogging.
I'm not sayimg they were "white supremacists", but it seems pretty obvious they chased him down bc he was a "suspicious" black man in their neighborgood
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:41 am to Lonnie Utah
Additionally, the only way the citizen arrest statute OCGA 17-4-60 holds is if the offense is a felony.
Note the statute does not authorize the use of deadly force to detain the subject.
At best, if just looking into a house under construction, Arbery was guilty of trespassing. Per Georgia Law, trespassing only rises to a misdemeanor.
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A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
Note the statute does not authorize the use of deadly force to detain the subject.
At best, if just looking into a house under construction, Arbery was guilty of trespassing. Per Georgia Law, trespassing only rises to a misdemeanor.
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(d) A person who commits the offense of criminal trespass shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:50 am to SulphursFinest
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Bringing guns means they obviously were looking for a reason to use them.
what a stupid frickin take
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:51 am to SulphursFinest
quote:Not sure who you are referring to because I did no such thing
then y’all defend the killers by saying “Arbery ran at the man with the shotgun and started PUNCHING him”
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:01 am to Lonnie Utah
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Note the statute does not authorize the use of deadly force to detain the subject.
They are trying to use this for their defense.
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OCGA 16 - 3 - 21Use ofForce in Defense, once confronted with a deadly force situation an individualis allowed to use
deadly force to defend themselves or others OCGA 16 - 3- 23 . 1Georgia' s NoDuty to RetreatLaw , an individualis
notrequired to back away from or submitto an attack; OCGA 16 - 3- 24 [b ] The useofforce which is intended or
likely to cause death or greatbodily harm to preventtrespass on or other tortiousor criminal interferencewith real
property other than a habitation or personalproperty is notjustified unless the person using such force reasonably
believes that itisnecessary to preventthe commission of a forcible felony.
OCGA 16 - 3- 24 .2 A person properly and legally defending themselvesis immune from prosecution
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:03 am to dj30
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They are trying to use this for their defense.
I get it, but they armed themselves, got in a truck, chased down and confronted an unarmed man. They were the aggressors in every action up until the point where the dead man grabbed the gun.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 11:05 am
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