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re: If the regulations work, why is Covid taking over California?

Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:37 pm to
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:37 pm to
We have implemented the definition of insanity for almost a year now across much of the country.
This post was edited on 12/28/20 at 7:38 pm
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8156 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:38 pm to
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The regulations work when everyone is 100% willing to follow them (i.e. Australia). If everyone isn't 100% willing to follow them, then they just unnecessarily cripple the economy while not curbing coronavirus


Works great until you get a single case once it’s been reopened and then nobody has immunity and shite hits the fan.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:39 pm to
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You and Tulane keep going. You both have such a good argument here.


Argue? Sharing what I actually observe with my eyes isn’t an argument, especially when considering that the alternative opinion mostly seems to be from what others are hearing on the news secondhand. I can’t help that it doesn’t fit the narrative of what ppl want to believe
This post was edited on 12/28/20 at 7:41 pm
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69007 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:42 pm to
So describe your movements throughout the state lately. I assume you're wearing your mask during all these public interactions. You must be the only weirdo doing so.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9021 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:43 pm to
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Sharing what I actually observe with my eyes isn’t an argument


Yes, you're right its not an argument, rather it is purely empirical. Same as anyone else's observation on the matter. How does this invalidate what OP was saying?
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13614 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:44 pm to
Friend,

Seattle has been quite strict (and depressing), and you've seen very steady and relatively low numbers there.

I am grateful you had a safe and joyous wedding celebration there, sharing it with people who took the virus seriously. The fact that you traveled there without needing a quarantine or negative covid test is evidence that there is no real lockdown, as I said. Compare lockdown measures in China, New Zealand, and Taiwan, and see what would have been required of you to go to that wedding.

One problem with lockdowns is if a significant portion of the population is not adhering to strict guidelines all the time, there will likely be spread. Perhaps Californians kept up their lockdown-like behaviors a little longer than other places. But probably not. In my trips to San Fran and its environs, I saw significant numbers of people ignoring mask mandates, ignoring social distancing. It was particularly striking in North Beach, where it felt like 2019 again. I said to Mother as we sat a distance away on a public bench, "I wish these people would be more careful."

I found the behaviors of the average Californian to be little different from those in Louisiana. Mask use in grocery stores was a little higher than Louisiana, but the gatherings I saw were far larger than what I saw in Louisiana. I left my second trip to CA wondering how it was possible that California had not yet had their spike.

Again, I do not think lockdowns will work in America. Would they have worked early on if people truly locked down and we shut down international travel? I think so. But the cat is out the bag, and now I do not see how they will work, especially as mask and distancing fatigue set in long ago.

Yours,
TulaneLSU

Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
79138 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:44 pm to
It's a red state full of trumptards...oh wait.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:46 pm to
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So describe your movements throughout the state lately. I assume you're wearing your mask during all these public interactions. You must be the only weirdo doing so.


How would I know?! I’ve been locked inside for months! Just turn on the news, it’s not exaggerative and oh so accurate.

Newsome showed up at my house and physically dragged me back inside himself when I tried to check the mail!!!
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44214 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:46 pm to
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Sharing what I actually observe with my eyes


As have I. From the moment I boarded the plane to SAN to the time I boarded to SEA I had a mask on in public. I didn't see a single person who didn't. This was over a week. This was just California. You're absolutely full of shite.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:47 pm to
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TulaneLSU


Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30027 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:49 pm to
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I just don't get it. If the regulations are working why is Cali opening hospitals in tents?


It is possible that cum hoc ergo propter hoc is at work. The amount of unaccounted-for variables in the hypothesis is fairly large in number.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:50 pm to
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As have I. From the moment I boarded the plane to SAN to the time I boarded to SEA I had a mask on in public. I didn't see a single person who didn't. This was over a week. This was just California. You're absolutely full of shite.


You know what would really show everyone?! Protesting by never ever ever coming back. That’ll show them! And I really think you should.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9021 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:50 pm to
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TulaneLSUCoyote


FIFY.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69007 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:50 pm to
Despite your sarcasm, I actually do believe you haven't really seen enough to pretend to be an expert on even your own locale. Unless you're an activist or journalist.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44214 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:51 pm to
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I saw significant numbers of people ignoring mask mandates, ignoring social distancing


None of this happened. Mother won't let you outside of a 250 mile radius of her house. You're barely qualified to comment on the Covid guidelines of Jackson Mississippi....friend.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44214 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:52 pm to
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You know what would really show everyone?! Protesting by never ever ever coming back. That’ll show them! And I really think you should.



You still have yet to say where in California you live to be a first hand observer of this non-mask wearing phenomenon.

Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:54 pm to
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I actually do believe you haven't really seen enough to pretend to be an expert on even your own locale.


Believe what you want, but I have multiple friends on here that are connected to me on socials and can absolutely confirm otherwise.

People have the story they want to tell themselves and that’s that. So just carry on believing what you want and exist in blissful ignorance. You’re not here and it doesn’t affect you so who cares?
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13614 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:57 pm to
Friend,

I know nothing about Jackson, MS. I have not been to Jackson in more than a decade, and that only as we drove through. As for California, I can only offer you these pictures and observations from our recent travels there:

TulaneLSU's Top 10 signs of San Francisco

TulaneLSU's Top 10 signs of Carmel

TulaneLSU's Top 10 observations and tips for playing a round at Pebble Beach

TulaneLSU's Top 10 bridges of central California

TulaneLSU's Top 10 signs of Merced

Yours,
TulaneLSU
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69007 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 7:58 pm to
You can claim to be the veritable man on the street who is plugged into these nuances of an entire state or even just his entire city, but I'm playing the odds and saying you're a regular dude who does some things around town and doesn't pay attention to these types of things. This is the OT, though, so I'm sure you and all your bros have blogs and vlogs about the mask and ordinance compliance all over the state.



Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44214 posts
Posted on 12/28/20 at 8:00 pm to
Impressive photo gallery. What is more impressive is that all the people in your photos are either social distancing or wearing masks as appropriate. Which kind of ruins the argument put forth by your friend who insists he has the pulse of California when it comes to following Covid guidelines. Grateful Reb doesn't seem to be very....grateful.

This post was edited on 12/28/20 at 8:01 pm
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