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re: If the entire world attacked the USA...

Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:14 pm to
Posted by bulldog95
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:14 pm to
Well seeing as how

Canada
Great Britain
Israel
Australia


Would side with us then the only advantage anyone would have as far as size of army would be the combined forces of Russia, China, Vietnam, Korea, and other eastern bloc nations but then they would need to cross oceans to invade.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:15 pm to
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Absolutely you'd park some subs, maybe a carrier fleet or two, in the gulf to protect it. And the US has the naval power to do it. We have enough to both defend the gulf and go on the offensive in the Atlantic and Pacific.



I think the proximity to mexico would make it tough to protect the gulf oil rigs. They are well within missile distance. We could do it, but in this hypothetical I think our resources would be stretched thin trying to protect other fronts.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:15 pm to
Let me get this straight. How is the attack coordinated?

Are they attacking from their respective home countries simultaneously?

Or is the attack more coordinated?

If the former, the USA has a chance to win if the world lacks resolve.

If the latter, I could see a scenario of two 1.5 billion + armies marching in from Mexico and in from Canada. That's right...Our neighbors would be our worst enemies. In that event, the USA gets creamed easily.
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:16 pm to
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There was no limit on the time for the world to prepare in this hypothetical. Only a limit on how much lead time we are given with respect to noti


I figured it was understood that we have the same amount of time to prep.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:17 pm to
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I think the proximity to mexico would make it tough to protect the gulf oil rigs. They are well within missile distance. We could do it, but in this hypothetical I think our resources would be stretched thin trying to protect other fronts.


Absolutely, our resources would be stretched thin but defending these assets are far easier than taking them all out. As for mexico, well, we have some B 52s that'd eb aching to carpet bomb any missile batteries and air based assets
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:17 pm to
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Thats the thing though. Coming to attack our energy sector is a feat within itself. Add on top of that our full military blasting down your throats and the world has a hell of a task at hand.



Absolutely, but I don't think it would be an easy task for the US to protect the energy sector to win this war either as some people are making it out to be. It would be interesting to see played out in some hypothetical simulator.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:18 pm to
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If the latter, I could see a scenario of two 1.5 billion + armies marching in from Mexico and in from Canada. That's right...Our neighbors would be our worst enemies. In that event, the USA gets creamed easily.


Again...they have to actually GET to Mexico and Canada
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:18 pm to
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If the latter, I could see a scenario of two 1.5 billion + armies marching in from Mexico and in from Canada. That's right..


and how exactly are these billions of people getting here?


and who the hell both has an army of 1.5 billion?

This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 11:20 pm
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:19 pm to
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Absolutely, but I don't think it would be an easy task for the US to protect the energy sector to win this war either as some people are making it out to be. It would be interesting to see played out in some hypothetical simulator.


FWIW I don't think it'd be easy. There would be catastrophic losses and the US would have to be balls to the walls the entire time and there would be assets lost. But it is not only feasible but IMO very possible it could be done.

I feel like it'd be a battle of attrition and for every pyrrhic victory the enemy won there would be several other failed missions. We talk about exhausting our forces but they'd be running pretty low after a while too. As would their resolve possibly

We need Darth Vader in here, he always has some good military insights
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 11:20 pm
Posted by BurasTigah
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:21 pm to
What is the goal of this hypothetical, to wipe the other side off the map or just control it? They could easily force our lives to be miserable enough for us to change our government into something friendly to what they wanted without ever needing to set a boot in the country.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:21 pm to
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Again...they have to actually GET to Mexico and Canada



In this hypothetical, the US would likely not attempt to go on the offensive and would simply be in "defend the homeland" mode. This allows the world as much time as they need to get the resources to get the people over there while the US was essentially force to hunker down and wait.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:22 pm to
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In this hypothetical, the US would likely not attempt to go on the offensive and would simply be in "defend the homeland" mode. This allows the world as much time as they need to get the resources to get the people over there while the US was essentially force to hunker down and wait.


We get a year too, though, and I doubt the US would sit by idly while millions upon millions of troops were landed on our borders
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:22 pm to
Bring it on world.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:23 pm to
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I think a lot of you would be seriously disappointed in the effectiveness of a real life EMP,
No not really.

But I wouldn't need them anyway. I think the OP imagined some strictly defensive preparations in the year-long lead-up. I'd send the bers all over the globe killing everything they see and destroying infrastructure and production.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:24 pm to
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the latter, I could see a scenario of two 1.5 billion + armies marching in from Mexico and in from Canada. That's right...Our neighbors would be our worst enemies. In that event, the USA gets creamed easily.


And we have >300million privately owned guns. How much ammo do you think private citizens have? A shitload more than that. We'd shoot the shite out of them as they tried to cross.
Posted by BurasTigah
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:24 pm to
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and how exactly are these billions of people getting here? and who the hell both has an army of 1.5 billion?


Any boat the world can wrangle. Year to prepare, no worries getting there.

The entire world besides us.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:25 pm to
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We get a year too, though, and I doubt the US would sit by idly while millions upon millions of troops were landed on our borders



But the only way to truly stop it would be to invade Canada. I think the other countries would easily march through russia and enter North America through Alaska which, in my opinion, the US would concede. At that point all you are doing is moving the front lines into canada.
Posted by BurasTigah
I'm Bored...
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:25 pm to
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We get a year too, though, and I doubt the US would sit by idly while millions upon millions of troops were landed on our borders


Then it technically wouldn't be a year to prepare if we went on the offensive before the year was up.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:26 pm to
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We get a year too, though, and I doubt the US would sit by idly while millions upon millions of troops were landed on our borders


Doubt we'd be able to shoot them all down or out of the water. With as many commercial airplanes and military airplanes as there are in the world, coupled with water craft, two armies of over a billion people could easily amass in canada and mexico.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28923 posts
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:27 pm to
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We get a year too, though, and I doubt the US would sit by idly while millions upon millions of troops were landed on our borders

Exactly. We'd blitz Mexico and force any land based assault through the bottleneck at Panama. What else they gonna do? Parachute in like Red Dawn? Those that survive our air force and ground to air attack would then face those 300 million+ privately owned firearms and the military.
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