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re: If the entire world attacked the USA...
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:03 pm to pensacola
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:03 pm to pensacola
If you were to get the German and Russian war engines up and running again, combined with China, the middle East, the rest of Europe and Asia, I think we'd be hard pressed to come out on top. The numbers don't support it. Even if we killed 10 for every one of our deaths, we would still be wiped off the earth.
And if the European war machine and Russian war machine got going for say five years prior to us getting our one year warning? Shhhhhiiiit, we'd probably be speaking another language within two generations.
And if the European war machine and Russian war machine got going for say five years prior to us getting our one year warning? Shhhhhiiiit, we'd probably be speaking another language within two generations.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:04 pm to UpToPar
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believe 40% of the oil used in the US is imported. Now obviously the US exports oil as well, but we don't export as much as we import. This is only talking about energy. There are many resources that we rely on other countries for.
You have your head up your arse if you think we don't have enough oil. shite, everytime oil goes up I see drilling rigs all over. Not to mention what we aren't allowed to drill offshore and in Alaska and national parks. Then figure in coal and natural gas. We're good. And then some.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:05 pm to pensacola
As has been pointed out, we all have guns.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:05 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Go WWII on it and ration out oil and fuel for the war effort. IF the citizens vehicles are restricted from free roam it would be a HUGE burden lifted off of oil needs. I honestly dunno the numbers or logistics of it all but if the US fully concentrated on the war effort I believe it could be done. Invading Canada was also suggested
The problem with this is the problems you would have with US citizens. I don't think that would go over real well.
Another problem is who is going to man the oil rigs to keep producing our own petroleum resources? Are you going to have subs continually patrolling the gulf and other offshore drilling sites? How feasible is it to prevent an attack on the rigs rendering them useless? In my opinion energy would be our downfall. I don't think it would be that difficult to collaterally attack the US energy sector and slowly bleed us out.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:05 pm to LoveThatMoney
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If you were to get the German and Russian war engines up and running again, combined with China, the middle East, the rest of Europe and Asia, I think we'd be hard pressed to come out on top. The numbers don't support it. Even if we killed 10 for every one of our deaths, we would still be wiped off the earth. And if the European war machine and Russian war machine got going for say five years prior to us getting our one year warning? Shhhhhiiiit, we'd probably be speaking another language within two generations.
How they gonna get here?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:06 pm to LoveThatMoney
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you were to get the German and Russian war engines up and running again, combined with China, the middle East, the rest of Europe and Asia, I think we'd be hard pressed to come out on top. The numbers don't support it. Even if we killed 10 for every one of our deaths, we would still be wiped off the earth. And if the European war machine and Russian war machine got going for say five years prior to us getting our one year warning? Shhhhhiiiit, we'd probably be speaking another language within two generations.
How they gonna get here without getting the shite shot out of them?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:08 pm to BurasTigah
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I doubt you would see any ships created besides transport.
So both sides fight with what they have. Thats what I was saying.
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That land would be under attack from everything that they could throw at us besides WMDs and nukes.
You think our heartland and all the farms in our interior are going to be under attack? Who and what is going to be that far inland?
If that area of our country is getting hell, weve already lost the war.
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They have had a year to prepare, they would all be sitting in Mexico and Canada already.
And we have a year to prepare also.
Ill take us and our military on our home turf over a few countries in the world on Mexico soil(who has no military infrastructure) and Canada. Having a year to prepare works better for us. We start fortifying on day one while the other countries start trying to move supplies to Canada and Mexico.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:08 pm to SmackoverHawg
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How they gonna get here without getting the shite shot out of them?
The whole scenario hinges on them actually getting here, which would be very difficult. Now people are introducing other factors like them having 5 years to ramp up military production.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:09 pm to SmackoverHawg
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How they gonna get here?
Fly over the pole, ships to South America, northern Atlantic to Canada, an ungodly number of ways. Patrolling the entire Atlantic and pacific would be next to impossible when you are facing the entire world and they already used ship killers on your ship based navy.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:10 pm to SmackoverHawg
Even if the rest of the world were able to overtake and occupy what they could, they'd be slowly be ousted(think Russians in Afghanistan 80's). Many Americans are armed to the hilt. And the foreign forces that once thought of invading in WW2 were leary of it.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:11 pm to UpToPar
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The problem with this is the problems you would have with US citizens. I don't think that would go over real well.
I think American citizens would suck it up, like in WWII, if our sovereignty is in peril. I doubt there would be a lot of bitching about not being able to afford gas or drive all over if the world was on our doorstep
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Another problem is who is going to man the oil rigs to keep producing our own petroleum resources? Are you going to have subs continually patrolling the gulf and other offshore drilling sites? How feasible is it to prevent an attack on the rigs rendering them useless? In my opinion energy would be our downfall. I don't think it would be that difficult to collaterally attack the US energy sector and slowly bleed us out.
Absolutely you'd park some subs, maybe a carrier fleet or two, in the gulf to protect it. And the US has the naval power to do it. We have enough to both defend the gulf and go on the offensive in the Atlantic and Pacific.
The gulf is also within range of our Air Force. And tomahawks I believe.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:12 pm to SmackoverHawg
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ou have your head up your arse if you think we don't have enough oil. shite, everytime oil goes up I see drilling rigs all over.
Getting into an armed conflict of this magnitude would increase our energy needs exponentially. We aren't talking about a situation where our energy needs remain the same. Not only will all of our imported oil be cut off, but our needs will increase.
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Not to mention what we aren't allowed to drill offshore and in Alaska and national parks.
There is not existing infrastructure to produce this at the drop of a hat. In this hypothetical, the materials and infrastructure to build these rigs to produce this oil would be needed elsewhere.
This is not even taking into account offshore drilling which accounts for around 30% of US oil. These offshore rigs would be target number 1 for early attacks.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:12 pm to BurasTigah
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Fly over the pole, ships to South America, northern Atlantic to Canada, an ungodly number of ways. Patrolling the entire Atlantic and pacific would be next to impossible when you are facing the entire world and they already used ship killers on your ship based navy.
The Navy would be able to protect the oceans and you're forgetting our air defenses and then, of course, the air force
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:12 pm to TheDude321
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America wins: LINK.
That's based on invasion and nukes. No nukes and I doubt they would attempt to invade us. Just neutralize our ability to go on offensive and attack our resources til we collapse.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:12 pm to SmackoverHawg
How do you think? The US doesn't have a monopoly on boats and airplanes. China's military is large and they have the wealth and technology to produce an air force, particularly with the help of the Russians and Germans and Brits and Israelis. There was no limit on the time for the world to prepare in this hypothetical. Only a limit on how much lead time we are given with respect to notice.
I think people like to think we're a bunch of badasses, but we have plenty of potential threats in our own military and government that other nations could leverage against us.
But whatever. Wolverines and shite.
I think people like to think we're a bunch of badasses, but we have plenty of potential threats in our own military and government that other nations could leverage against us.
But whatever. Wolverines and shite.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:13 pm to Yat27
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having 5 years to ramp up military production.
We would too. Not to mention a heavily armed militia that is better equipped than most militaries. Hell, I got thermal imaging, night vision, high powered optics, and a shite ton of firepower. I'm certainly not alone. Give me years to prep and I'll be one well trained, fortified, armed to the teeth mf'er.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:13 pm to UpToPar
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Another problem is who is going to man the oil rigs to keep producing our own petroleum resources? Are you going to have subs continually patrolling the gulf and other offshore drilling sites?
The workers on the rigs. We are at war.
Initially I would imagine our navy would be stationed all around our coast. With multiple vessels in the Gulf, I dont think any enemy ships are making their way in without detection, let alone getting to the rigs and sinking them. We have a lot of rigs.
We could lock down the water area in between Mexico and South Florida.
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In my opinion energy would be our downfall.
Im pretty sure we can be self sufficient if we have to.
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I don't think it would be that difficult to collaterally attack the US energy sector and slowly bleed us out.
Thats the thing though. Coming to attack our energy sector is a feat within itself. Add on top of that our full military blasting down your throats and the world has a hell of a task at hand.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:14 pm to Yat27
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Now people are introducing other factors like them having 5 years to ramp up military production.
I'm playing within the confines of the hypothetical, jack.
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having 5 years to ramp up military production.
We would too
This guy isn't though.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:14 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Fly over the pole, ships to South America, northern Atlantic to Canada, an ungodly number of ways. Patrolling the entire Atlantic and pacific would be next to impossible when you are facing the entire world and they already used ship killers on your ship based navy.
Not to mention an insane number of private vessels that could be used to patrol and defend.
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