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re: If police brutality is so rampant and a 'disease' that's tearing the country apart...

Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:59 pm to
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29646 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:59 pm to
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Daniel Shaver, Dennis Tuttle, and Rhogena Nicholas, who were all shot by police?

I'm skeptical you'd march for anyone, honestly. There are tons of examples of police using excessive force. There were five or six deaths in 2014 or 2015 that related specifically to calls about mental health, which ended up in the deaths of the people who were having the episode. One example is Tanisha Anderson, who was having a psychotic episode, and ended up being slammed on the concrete, dying as a result. Is that the sort of brutality that would lead you to "march"?


It's odd that all of these seem to matter less than Floyd, Mike Brown, etc. I don't disagree with you though.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40042 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:02 pm to
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And Tanisha was kicking officers, a felony, so she won't do.


She was charged with a felony? Or are you just trying to find a unicorn to justify your a very narrow argument?Tanisha was also unarmed. People in mental health episodes are commonly difficult to deal with, which why the cops are called in the first place.

Bettie Jones in Chicago in 2015 is not really a case of brutality, as she was killed accidentally. As was Felix Kumi. And India Kagar.

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Those are all white people a-hole. I don't care about them.



Not surprising that you can't put two and two together.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:04 pm to
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It's odd that all of these seem to matter less than Floyd, Mike Brown, etc


Progs are convinced police are out to kill black folks and they'll listen to nothing that disputes it.
Posted by rrarr
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2016
276 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:06 pm to
Conservatives don't listen to anyone. At all. Ever.
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
9810 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:06 pm to
what about the baby or kids police have killed in raids> or car accidents
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40042 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:07 pm to
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It's odd that all of these seem to matter less than Floyd, Mike Brown, etc. I don't disagree with you though.




I can understand police protecting themselves in cases where suspects have weapons, but the cases where people were killed while complying or unarmed are completely egregious to me, and I don't know why more people don't talk about them. Especially with regards to mental health, police are ill-equipped to handle those situations in lots of cases, often escalating the situation.
Posted by rrarr
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2016
276 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:07 pm to
Stop killing black males. Its a simple request. As basic and human as it gets.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:08 pm to
There's little chance you will even interact with a cop if you're not commiting a crime (regardless of your race). It's pathetic to see these media idiots hype up complete bs narratives without being challenged and then watch the reaction play out so predictably. This country is dead, a pale reflection of what it used to be
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135055 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:09 pm to
So we can still kill white folks, Latinos, and black women?
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29646 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:18 pm to
I personally don't know enough to know the solution to that, but I believe it's likely a function of the fact that you have very low barriers to entry to be a law enforcement member in this country. And we basically have to. They are also generally armed, conducting millions of adversial interactions with a population that inherently skews way disproportionately towards the criminal population.

Substantive, wholesale reform is probably impossible and not even a desirable solution because you are dealing with an innumerable amount of police departments and communities across the country. We have the Constitution and we have certain laws at the federal level that are designed to achieve equal protection. I haven't seen much in the way of legitimate ideas from anyone that seem to do more good than harm.

Obviously my opinion is irrelevant and nullified because I'm a racist bigot or whatever.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 11:22 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:20 pm to
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Stop killing black males. I


Who kills the most black males?
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52928 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:22 pm to
Roger, nine (9) unarmed black males were killed last year by cops

We need to get that down to zero. At least.

I’m gonna go break into Lululemon now.
Posted by TigerBlazer
Member since Aug 2016
840 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:23 pm to
Are you saying it’s ok for cops to murder someone if they have a criminal background? Even while in handcuffs lying on the ground?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:24 pm to
The only way to minimize it is to minimize police contact with citizens.

There is no other answer that works, yet these do gooders will continue to vote for more laws and regulations.
Posted by Misnomer
Member since Apr 2020
3756 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:29 pm to
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Please find me a police brutality of a non-felon, I'd like to start a march for that guy.




This is a going to be a difficult non sequitur to hold on to.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 11:32 pm
Posted by rrarr
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2016
276 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:29 pm to
The way to minimize police contact with citizens is to legalize Marijuana.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40042 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:34 pm to
In terms of mental health episodes, something like crisis response teams formed by local hospitals could help, but the real issue is that there aren’t enough psychiatric beds in this country, and the number has decreased by 500,000 since the 1950s. Police aren’t equipped with the training to deal with those situations.

In terms of limiting police, something like doing away with no-knock raids would be a good start. Doing away with civil asset forfeiture would be great too while we are attempting to reform the police. I have other ideas too, but I’m also not someone anyone is going to listen too, ultimately.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:36 pm to
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The way to minimize police contact with citizens is to legalize Marijuana.


Tip of the iceberg. We are so overregulated and over legally slated that it's ridiculous.
Posted by rrarr
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2016
276 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:36 pm to
My criminal record is pretty minimal. But the bossier police officer that slammed me against the back of my car and pointed a gun at me for running a red light (California stop at a red light / right turn) in front of my son when I was not resisting or anything is overreacting to the "crime". I did not deserve that. I deserved a red light ticket.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 11:38 pm
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
13443 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 11:39 pm to
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My criminal record is pretty minimal. But the bossier police officer that slammed me against the back for my car and pointed a gun at me for running a red light


Let’s talk more about this criminal record. You got a record. You get treated differently. That cop knew about you before his boots hit pavement.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 11:40 pm
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