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re: Iberia Parish Sheriff: handcuffed man in cop car shot himself: 8/21 update
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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the entire reason our constitutional rights have been eroded is their calls for protection, but in this instance we see the real reason for their desire to strip us of our constitutional rights
It's crazy. I'm perplexed at those saying "well the cops missed it". But in the DWI attorney thread last week, these same people were saying "well you don't know if the attorney is a threat".
So which is it?
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:41 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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possession of a firearm while in possession of a CDS is a felony
a. the kid has no record and i doubt that he would know this.
b. his fingerprints would be on the gun and it would be within the area of his control. he'd still eat the charge
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along with bringing one into a detention center
because he willingly brought the gun in and everything
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:41 am to Dr RC
So you don't have any evidence. Thanks for playing. You should have represented Trayvon
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:43 am to Golfer
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It's crazy. I'm literally perplexed at those saying "well the cops missed it". But in the DWI attorney thread last week, these same people were saying "well you don't know if the attorney is a threat".
So which is it?
even if the cops' story is true, they should all be fired on the spot for the error
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:43 am to Dr RC
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Is it possible? Yea. It could happen.
But again it isn't all that believable of a story.
Ok so what happened? He tried to run and cops shot him, cuffed him, and staged everything down to planting a gun?
He wouldnt get out of the car so a hot head cop said frick it and shot him then planted a gun?
Or maybe one cop was gonna use a taser to get him to comply in the back seat and pulled the wrong gun and shot him, then planted a gun.
Yea, all these are more likely than the guy had a gun that was missed and tried to ditch it and had an accidental discharge that killed him
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:45 am to Golfer
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:47 am to FelicianaTigerfan
I can provide the cop haters with one factual piece of evidence. There are several cameras in the sally port at Iberia PJ. Maybe they turned them all off for that period of time. Maybe everyone at Iberia So and State Police is corrupt.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:47 am to Negative Nomad
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Every cop is different and every situation is different.
is the basis for a terry stop to secure the officer's safety?
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Just like you want to crucify cops, some don't.
there are rules. the policing forces of this country go the courts to erode the rules of privacy and protection of the state for a stated goal
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:50 am to Negative Nomad
quote:If it's a stolen gun? Felony.
I bet he knows he's not supposed to have a gun on him.
If it's a gun with the markings filed off? Felony.
Even if he is illegally concealing the firearm, he probably thinks that's a felony too.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:50 am to Negative Nomad
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But doesn't mean the officer isn't prone to making a mistake.
he seemed to have found the drugs A-OK
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Well frick! You go catch the criminals then Captain Constitution.
Terry stops aren't about "catching criminals"
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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a. the kid has no record and i doubt that he would know this.
How do you know that he doesnt have a cousin that got popped for it? You'd be amazed at what 'they" know
quote:"Mayne, they put me in that car and I felt something behind me. I wasnt sure what it was so I just left it there. I thought that police man may have left his gun back there. I know it aint mine tho"
b. his fingerprints would be on the gun and it would be within the area of his control. he'd still eat the charge
quote:If he leaves it tucked in his pants and doesnt tell someone he does.
because he willingly brought the gun in and everything
quote:I agree because their failure to properly do their job could have cost an innocent person their life.
even if the cops' story is true, they should all be fired on the spot for the error
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Let me throw this out here... Not that logic is going to sway anyone on either side of this.
I am going to make a logical assumption here. There was a gun recovered from the scene other than the one's belonging to the police. Right? I mean they couldn't be making this claim and not have a gun in evidence. For these purposes, we don't even need to assume it is the guys gun. Let's say it is a "throw down" that one of the officers had.
So let's play out the scenario that everyone here is putting forward. The police accidentally shot this guy in the back during the arrest because they are incompetent. Which of the following scenarios makes more sense?
1. They accidentally shoot old boy at the scene. Oh shite! They take off his handcuffs. They throw weapon on ground at his feet and say "He pulled a gun, we shot him."
2. They accidentally shoot old boy at arrest scene. Oh shite! They put dead/dying and bloody dude into handcuffs. Load him into car. Drive to police station and concoct story that he shot himself in car while handcuffed.
Hmmm....
If you are going with the scenario that they only shot him on accident once they arrived at the police station, then there is an easy way to determine that. The ballistics from the bullet that killed him would have come from an officers gun. It's not as if they would have shot him on accident with a throw down. The gun found in the car and the bullet that killed him wouldn't match.
So, if you discount the above, this leaves you with two arguments.
1. Dead guy pulled out a gun that an incompetent search missed and, while handling it, accidentally shot himself.
2. Police officer pulled out a second gun (not his duty weapon) and with absolute purpose executed this guy in the back seat of his patrol car just because he wanted to.
There isn't a scenario where this could have been an accidental shooting on the part of the police officer and the bullet comes from a second gun.
All of that being said, the PD are a bunch of damn idiots for not getting in front of this and putting the facts out. Why not say there was a gun found in the car?
I am going to make a logical assumption here. There was a gun recovered from the scene other than the one's belonging to the police. Right? I mean they couldn't be making this claim and not have a gun in evidence. For these purposes, we don't even need to assume it is the guys gun. Let's say it is a "throw down" that one of the officers had.
So let's play out the scenario that everyone here is putting forward. The police accidentally shot this guy in the back during the arrest because they are incompetent. Which of the following scenarios makes more sense?
1. They accidentally shoot old boy at the scene. Oh shite! They take off his handcuffs. They throw weapon on ground at his feet and say "He pulled a gun, we shot him."
2. They accidentally shoot old boy at arrest scene. Oh shite! They put dead/dying and bloody dude into handcuffs. Load him into car. Drive to police station and concoct story that he shot himself in car while handcuffed.
Hmmm....
If you are going with the scenario that they only shot him on accident once they arrived at the police station, then there is an easy way to determine that. The ballistics from the bullet that killed him would have come from an officers gun. It's not as if they would have shot him on accident with a throw down. The gun found in the car and the bullet that killed him wouldn't match.
So, if you discount the above, this leaves you with two arguments.
1. Dead guy pulled out a gun that an incompetent search missed and, while handling it, accidentally shot himself.
2. Police officer pulled out a second gun (not his duty weapon) and with absolute purpose executed this guy in the back seat of his patrol car just because he wanted to.
There isn't a scenario where this could have been an accidental shooting on the part of the police officer and the bullet comes from a second gun.
All of that being said, the PD are a bunch of damn idiots for not getting in front of this and putting the facts out. Why not say there was a gun found in the car?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:52 am to FelicianaTigerfan
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I agree because their failure to properly do their job could have cost an innocent person their life.
well to be fair, last i read, the kid wasn't even involved in the fight that got the cops to the scene
in terms of the initial stimulus, he was innocent
yet, he was still arrested and ended up dead
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:53 am to tigerfootball10
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So you don't have any evidence. Thanks for playing. You should have represented Trayvon
Hey dipshit, since when do you need hard evidence to comment on if an initial story sounds like bullshite?
What if your kid comes to you with a crazy story of how the flat screen fell over and broke and that even though he was throwing a football in the house he had nothing to do with it? Do you just shrug and tell yourself that you have no evidence that he is lying?
The cops story here sounds like bullshite.
Sorry but it does.
For their story to be true the exit wound is going to probably be at some sort of vertical angle and there will need to be physical evidence in the back of the car that clearly indicates a short range shot to the back.
Regardless, a person is dead. It's either due to their own negligence or b/c they popped him and tried to cover it up.
At best the arresting officers should be fired for for being awful at their job.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:53 am to FelicianaTigerfan
This thread to me has scared the hell out of me. The cops that have posted in here have assured me that cops frequently dont find guns on criminals after searching them....... WHAT!!!!!! You arrest a guy, so right away you know they are dangerous. Then you do a search and you dont find a freaking gun!!???? That is terrifying
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:54 am to jbgleason
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then there is an easy way to determine that. The ballistics from the bullet that killed him would have come from an officers gun. It's not as if they would have shot him on accident with a throw down. The gun found in the car and the bullet that killed him wouldn't match.
and we don't have that information yet, and it's not like the NISO provided that information
if i ran their PR, this would be the first thing i did. i don't think it's been done to this point
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:55 am to Negative Nomad
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So! Still may have missed the gun.
so?
is the point of a terry stop to find drugs or secure the officer's safety?
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Come on! You don't say. No one is arguing that nimrod.
you just did with this 2-letter response
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So!
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