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re: I was a member of the jury on the Garrett Ward trial. AMA.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:05 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:05 pm to Obtuse1
I feel terrible for G.W.'s parents. How old is he? 30? Didn't others mention that he has older siblings? If so, taking that into account, they are probably in their mid-60s? It's very possibly that they may never see him again outside of random visitations.
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Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:05 pm to REG861
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but i find it very odd that the hospital would have destroyed evidence from a crime scene.
this is nola brah
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:10 pm to Obtuse1
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This isn't to say the family might not have had unreasonable expectations of recovery if they pursued what is likely now to be a slam dunk WD case.
Maybe they had an attorney convince them of unreasonable expectations of recovery against Ward himself? Would the attorney have been completely cut out of getting a piece of any money they would have accepted from Ward's family for the plea deal? 1/3 of whatever they could recover from Ward himself would be better than nothing if he didn't get a piece of the plea deal money
Posted on 6/29/22 at 3:38 pm to jchamil
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Maybe they had an attorney convince them of unreasonable expectations of recovery against Ward himself?
Possible...
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Would the attorney have been completely cut out of getting a piece of any money they would have accepted from Ward's family for the plea deal?
Considering the legal complications and ramifications a "clean" attorney wouldn't be involved but a dirty one would probably charge a bagman fee. Putting on a Saul Goodman hat the way to provide SOME legal cover for that would be to file a WD action then settle it for the agreed amount and NDA any disclosures until after the verdict came in upon which the WD action would be withdrawn. This has its pros and cons for both sides but devil's bargains always do.
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1/3 of whatever they could recover from Ward himself would be better than nothing if he didn't get a piece of the plea deal money
Without some investigation, I have to assume Ward himself was basically judgment proof. I don't see any third-party liability, especially with the LA anti-dram shop law. 1/3 of nothing is always nothing. I can see an attorney taking the case to get a big pyrrhic verdict to frame the newsprint article and hang it in his lobby but outside that I don't see much motivation other than to say there are always starving PI attorneys lurking in the shadows.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 4:33 pm to GentleJackJones
I feel bad for them too. I actually love New Orleans but this is another reason to stay away. I mean no disrespect to the juror who has explained his reasoning but if you defend yourself you are much more likely to get a jury that expects you to run or surrender yourself to theft or potential harm in New Orleans. Sort of damned either way. Best thing is to avoid. Can’t see many other jurisdictions pulling a jury that would convict
Posted on 6/29/22 at 7:32 pm to WildBillJR
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Can’t see many other jurisdictions pulling a jury that would convict
I really don’t understand why so many folks seem to think this.
As has been stated quite a few times in this thread, the burden of proof for justifiable homicide is on the defense.
Ward had to prove that the killing was necessary to prevent Jackson from killing him or causing him great bodily harm. According to the juror, Ward didn’t say anything about being robbed or anything about a knife to the police at the scene, nor did anyone other than Ward himself testify that they saw him get robbed or saw Jackson holding a knife.
If that’s an accurate account of the testimony, I don’t know how anyone could think the defense had enough evidence to prove Ward had to kill Jackson to defend himself from a violent robbery.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 7:36 pm to lostinbr
Good luck with a self defense claim with a New Orleans jury
Posted on 6/29/22 at 7:46 pm to Reluctantjuror
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Reluctantjuror
Have you gotten word whether or not the Ward family will be auctioning off Garrett’s Perlis wardrobe collection to cover the massive costs associated with the case?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:15 pm to lostinbr
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Ward didn’t say anything about being robbed or anything about a knife to the police at the scene
he was still wasted. juror said this “interview” with cops/EMS was 10-30 minutes after the fight which started when he was essentially blacked out
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nor did anyone other than Ward himself testify that they saw him get robbed or saw Jackson holding a knife
nobody and no surveillance video saw the beginning of the incident, that’s the problem. no reliable witnesses noticed anything until the fight was happening
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve to rot in jail, 30 years with such flimsy evidence is just sad. lots of stupid to go around, but if it was a white homeless dude we all know he would’ve been able to plea and get 5-10 years and piece of shite Jason Williams wouldn’t have even been involved. and with this own juror saying “entitled” “Perlis wearing” and “not used to urban environments” is all loaded language. so if Ward himself were another black homeless dude from New Orleans he’d get more of a pass from the jury?
I bet Ward spends more time in jail than the youths who dragged that grandma to death in her car
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 8:35 pm to Eighteen
For the record I never said he was blacked out. He was definitely drunk. When he testified he was able to recount the events of the night. He said went downstairs after the altercation with the girlfriend, fell asleep, then woke up when Jackson had cut him and was rifling though his pockets and was able to recount everything after that.
At least for me personally I would not have cared about anyones ethnicity, wealth, etc. and I didn’t get the sense it mattered to anyone else except the one guy who was irrationally opposed to even considering 2nd degree and was the only person to vote for not guilty on the initial poll.
And I never said anything about Perlis. Pretty sure I never said entitled but am too lazy to double check. Happy to be wrong if I did say that at some point.
At least for me personally I would not have cared about anyones ethnicity, wealth, etc. and I didn’t get the sense it mattered to anyone else except the one guy who was irrationally opposed to even considering 2nd degree and was the only person to vote for not guilty on the initial poll.
And I never said anything about Perlis. Pretty sure I never said entitled but am too lazy to double check. Happy to be wrong if I did say that at some point.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:09 pm to lostinbr
Ward obviously hit and kicked the dead guy. There are only two possible reasons for this:
1. He just decided to attack a random homeless guy for no reason for the first time in his life
Or
2. The guy was rifling though his pocket and he thought he was likely to harm him.
Both are theoretically possible but I think most jurors in another city would believe it was the second reason
1. He just decided to attack a random homeless guy for no reason for the first time in his life
Or
2. The guy was rifling though his pocket and he thought he was likely to harm him.
Both are theoretically possible but I think most jurors in another city would believe it was the second reason
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:23 pm to WildBillJR
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Ward obviously hit and kicked the dead guy. There are only two possible reasons for this:
1. He just decided to attack a random homeless guy for no reason for the first time in his life
Or
2. The guy was rifling though his pocket and he thought he was likely to harm him.
That’s an absurd statement.
Are these the only two reasons any other drunk people get into fights with strangers?
Do you really think it’s inconceivable that he might have had a reason to be angry at the homeless guy that doesn’t meet the bar for justifiable homicide?
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Both are theoretically possible but I think most jurors in another city would believe it was the second reason
You think most people in another city would take his word for it that he was defending himself from violent crime with no witnesses, no video evidence, and no mention of that violent crime to the police at the time he was arrested?
ETA: Even if there were evidence that the homeless guy had been going through his pockets, Ward would have an uphill battle trying to prove he reasonably thought his life was in danger when he (allegedly) kept beating the guy after he was incapacitated and kicked him in the head after he was on the ground.
He would probably need to prove that the homeless guy actually had a knife out (which, again, he didn’t mention to the police) and even then he would need to prove that a reasonable person still would have felt their life was in danger, despite the homeless guy being incapacitated, when the killing blow was delivered.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 6/29/22 at 9:29 pm to WildBillJR
Our general opinion was that even if you did believe his self defense claim (and only one person did at any point) that his actions far exceeded the necessary force for a 26 year old relatively fit man to defend himself against a pretty frail 60 year old man and that those actions (especially the kick to the head) absolutely caused Jackson’s death.
The only real debate was whether or not the kick to the head (he missed at least one other kick) was enough for 2nd degree murder.
To that point one person said he was too intoxicated to intentionally cause that level of harm and another person would just not budge from manslaughter (after changing the initial poll from self defense) and was pretty illogical as to his reasoning.
A few others went back and forth between manslaughter and 2nd but only one ever believed it was self defense and pretty early on switched to manslaughter.
The only real debate was whether or not the kick to the head (he missed at least one other kick) was enough for 2nd degree murder.
To that point one person said he was too intoxicated to intentionally cause that level of harm and another person would just not budge from manslaughter (after changing the initial poll from self defense) and was pretty illogical as to his reasoning.
A few others went back and forth between manslaughter and 2nd but only one ever believed it was self defense and pretty early on switched to manslaughter.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:12 pm to GentleJackJones
You make it sound like OPP is a cake walk. He has probably been assaulted numerous times already.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:12 pm to Reluctantjuror
Did y’all not believe the self defense claim at all?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:19 pm to donRANDOMnumbers
During the initial poll only one person voted not guilty and everyone else was a mix of manslaughter and 2nd degree murder. The self defense person pretty quickly switched to manslaughter. We didn’t really talk about self defense much to be honest, ithe discussion was focused on whether or not it was manslaughter or 2nd degree murder.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:24 pm to Reluctantjuror
I believe Ward’s and Jackson’s race had an impact on the prosecution, verdict and sentencing.
I wonder if the young buck that killed the 61 year old grandmother from Alabama in April 2021 will do as much time.
I wonder if the young buck that killed the 61 year old grandmother from Alabama in April 2021 will do as much time.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:28 pm to LaPride55
I can only speak to the verdict so to that end can say no one ever spoke about race once. Did we talk about a much younger guy killing an old man, yes.
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:31 pm to Reluctantjuror
How did you find an intent to kill on someone who was seriously intoxicated and there is no evidence as to how the fight started? Then, how does a judge give the max amount of years under those circumstances to someone with no criminal history?
Posted on 6/29/22 at 10:32 pm to Reluctantjuror
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I can only speak to the verdict so to that end can say no one ever spoke about race once. Did we talk about a much younger guy killing an old man, yes.
But if the races were different Jason Williams would not have been the prosecutor either.
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