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re: I Refused To Help a Sr Manager from Another Department
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:58 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:58 am to imjustafatkid
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This CFO sounds out of her league. She's seeking help from outside her own department for a project that is only related to her own department. This means she either isn't competent enough to do it herself and/or isn't capable enough to hire the right people for the job. Helping someone like that can actually be a huge negative for you. It's not good to be seen as "in the corner" of someone who can't do her job. There are only three end results here: 1. Everyone at the C-level is incompetent, and therefore they overlook the CFO's incompetence. In this scenario, finding another job is necessary. 2. Everyone else at the C-level knows this CFO is incompetent, and the OP being tied to this person can only reflect poorly on the OP because perception is everything. This would only be detrimental to OP long-term and would result in a job search eventually being necessary. 3. This is actually a one off situation where the CFO actually needs help. In this scenario, a competent CFO would do what I said and approach the previous senior finance manager to consult on this project and pay that person whatever he/she wants to make that happen. Maybe that did happen and the senior manager said no, but I doubt it. I imagine the CFO is incompetent and does not want to admit that her incompetence led to the previous senior manager getting burned out and leaving/retiring, which is why she doesn't want to approach that person to consult on this project.
For asking for 10 hours of one time help for a newly promoted person?
fricking idiot
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:59 am to littleavery1948
Be a fricking team player.
I’m always assisting other departments because I know what I’m doing and I don’t want someone to screw something up that will eventually be my problem to correct.
I’m always assisting other departments because I know what I’m doing and I don’t want someone to screw something up that will eventually be my problem to correct.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:01 am to littleavery1948
You took a situation where a C-suite executive was going to learn your fricking name and you leveraged that opportunity in such a way that now the
Not sure what else to tell you baw.
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CFO is very upset
Not sure what else to tell you baw.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:04 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:02 am to Jobu93
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Agree to help but lay conditions since you have your own responsibilities.
I agree, but from the sound of it (only one side of the story obviously), the OP did sit down and help some, answered questions, etc. Just refused when asked to do the entire scope of work for 3 of 4 regions. The OP just lacked a lot of vital information in the first post.
It sounds to me like this was a scenario where the CFO came to the OP and basically because the person responsible for the task can't handle it all, is trying to have the OP do the majority of it for them, and let the other Manager do a small portion of it to get their feet wet. If that truly is the scenario, that is definitely not a reasonable request. There is a difference in helping and just doing somebody else's job.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:05 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:04 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:I can't believe this particular process isn't automated already.
AI would probably have been able to do the P&L’s and this entire issue would never have been brought up
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:06 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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one time help
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:06 am to imjustafatkid
quote:sounds like you and a few others have never worked in a professional environment
This CFO sounds out of her league. She's seeking help from outside her own department for a project that is only related to her own department. This means she either isn't competent enough to do it herself and/or isn't capable enough to hire the right people for the job. Helping someone like that can actually be a huge negative for you. It's not good to be seen as "in the corner" of someone who can't do her job. There are only three end results here: 1. Everyone at the C-level is incompetent, and therefore they overlook the CFO's incompetence. In this scenario, finding another job is necessary. 2. Everyone else at the C-level knows this CFO is incompetent, and the OP being tied to this person can only reflect poorly on the OP because perception is everything. This would only be detrimental to OP long-term and would result in a job search eventually being necessary. 3. This is actually a one off situation where the CFO actually needs help. In this scenario, a competent CFO would do what I said and approach the previous senior finance manager to consult on this project and pay that person whatever he/she wants to make that happen. Maybe that did happen and the senior manager said no, but I doubt it.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:10 am to Blutarsky
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I’m always assisting other departments because I know what I’m doing
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I don’t want someone to screw something up that will eventually be my problem to correct.
You see the loop here don't you?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:11 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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that is definitely not a reasonable request. There is a difference in helping and just doing somebody else's job.
..and flat out refusing to help just set his ceiling at the company.
My company has ramped up hiring Co-Ops each semester moving forward. There are 8-9 other Senior people at my level but they are spread across the State. Since they use LSU to fill those co-op spots and I’m the only one within the BR area, I get the majority of responsibility to train and work with them every day. Does it hurt my production on performing my own tasks, sure, but I do the job.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:12 am to GoCrazyAuburn
If they ask again then you can say no. The OP is getting premad about having to possibly help going forward.
There was a way to handle this that buys you favors from finance and he totaled fumbled the bag. Not only didn’t buy the equity, but pissed off the department that controls his money. Good idea!
There was a way to handle this that buys you favors from finance and he totaled fumbled the bag. Not only didn’t buy the equity, but pissed off the department that controls his money. Good idea!
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:15 am to Blutarsky
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..and flat out refusing to help just set his ceiling at the company.
Did this happen? OP already said they sat down with them and answered questions they had with issues. So, they were helping some. They refused to do the other person's job. Very different things.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:16 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:15 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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You see the loop here don't you?
frick the loop. If you think that way, leave the company.
Being a team player tells all of those in management above me that I’m available to help. He just told them that he doesn’t give a shite.
Op just shot himself in the foot at his company.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:17 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Did this happen? OP already said they sat down with them and answered questions they had with issues. So, they were helping some. They refused to do the other person's job. Very different things.
I have to fix other people’s frick up and explain stupid shite to people, as low as interns all the time. It’s called being management. When shite has to get some, it’s ultimately up to me to make it happen. That’s what the moneys for.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:18 am to littleavery1948
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not mind helping out once in a while; however, I have much higher expectations for those in a Sr Manager role. I have never asked for assistance from another department at this level. Am I being unreasonable?
This right here is the crux.
Your standards only matter for whether you stay there or start looking
The CFO is going to set the expectations for who does what, not you. You do not design the workload allocations on this.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:18 am to Blutarsky
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frick the loop. If you think that way, leave the company.
No, you clearly don't see the loop.
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Being a team player tells all of those in management above me that I’m available to help
Being a team player is different than doing other people's jobs because you don't want to deal with issues if they do it wrong. That is just bad management and breeds incompetency.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:21 am to NoSaint
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The CFO is going to set the expectations for who does what, not you.
The CFO can't just assign his department's workload to another department just because their department is incapable of performing the task
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:22 am to littleavery1948
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We are in quarterly forecasts at my company, and while I used to be in the Finance department, I have switched to Supply Chain and Operations. Our Sr Finance Manager just retired (she was unbelievable, but she burnt out), and they have promoted someone who is far less capable (but very conforming). This newly promoted employee has 10 years in the company, and makes as much as the Sr Manager, despite lacking several qualifications/experienced. I was in charge of forecasts/budgets/FP&A, etc, and can do those without any issue.
I am in a completely different department (same level), and the newly promoted Sr Manager has suggested to the CFO that I should be asked to assist with this project. I refused because a) It's no longer my job, and I am in another department, b) a Sr Manager should be able to figure out the project without assistance from another department. CFO is very upset that I refused to assist and says that my expectations for this new Sr Manager is unreasonable. I do not mind helping out once in a while; however, I have much higher expectations for those in a Sr Manager role. I have never asked for assistance from another department at this level.
Am I being unreasonable?
Of all the ways to handle a situation....this was certainly one of them.
Just...yikes. Unless you're just terrible at explaining what actually happened, you're probably severely limiting your future career prospects by telling the CFO no.
Be careful about the toes you step on today, they might be attached to the arse you have to kiss tomorrow.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:24 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I have to fix other people’s frick up and explain stupid shite to people, as low as interns all the time. It’s called being management. When shite has to get some, it’s ultimately up to me to make it happen. That’s what the moneys for.
Okay, so how is this relevant to the OP? This isn't someone the OP manages nor is he being asked by his manager. Do you reguarly do the job of someobody else in your company because they are incapable of it? Again, not assisting them so they can do it, taking it completely over for them, so they don't have to do it?
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explain stupid shite to people
OP stated they already did this in some fashion.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:24 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Being a team player is different that doing other people's jobs because you don't want to deal with issues if they do it wrong. That is just bad management and breeds incompetency.
I see it as this..
Sure, they probably hired someone who lacked the experience, and assisting this person now only benefits everyone.
The OP says he can do everything without issue. If you’re that fricking good, it would be easy to impart that knowledge to help someone else.
Is he doing more than his current job? Definitely, but in the long run, this helps everyone.
And like I said, if he refused, and it pissed off the CFO, he’s already started burning the ladder for advancement and better pay.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 11:25 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:28 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Do you reguarly do the job of someobody else in your company because they are incapable of it?
Yes, but I make sure the people that need to know about it do, and will absolutely use it in the future as either a favor or leverage.
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