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re: I just turned down "the vaccine". Update pg 13.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:42 am to TigerBlood17
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:42 am to TigerBlood17
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There is enough circumstantial evidence to lead any logical human to draw the conclusion that the vaccine was approved as fast as possible.
Yes. But that doesn't mean we still didn't go through all the steps of normal trials. We cut your typical government inefficiencies and funding was provided.
All the vaccines still went through all 3 phases of trials.
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So you are clearly going to take the vaccine as soon as it is presented to you.
Yes. By the time it is presented to me, literally millions of people will have received the vaccine and we will have almost a years worth of data.
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Can you explain your situation and reasoning for so blindly trusting a vaccine?
Because we have a long history of producing safe and effective vaccines and statistical outliers do not concern me.
I've also actually read the FDA reports on the vaccines, and none of the concerns listed in the reports concern me.
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Because the government tells you too?
No.
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Because you believe it is for the betterment of society as a whole?
Yes. We have effectively eradicated diseases with vaccines because everyone didn't follow this dumb logic of "well it doesn't affect me, so why do I need it?"
I'm treating the COVID vaccine exactly like the flu shot, which I also get every year. If it helps prevent myself or my family from getting sick, even if its just a cough, I'll take it.
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 8:46 am
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Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:44 am to Moustache
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How come all the MaGA folks are refusing to take a virus that trump is/was pushing hard for?
I was definitely rooting for him to fast-track it so that these government-induced lockdowns would maybe go TF away. I wasn't champing at the bit to take it myself.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:44 am to TigerBlood17
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There is a reason these things usually take 18 to 24 months to develop and test.
Yes, but it isn't because that's how long the trials take.
The reason is normally takes longer has more to do with government bloat/inefficiency and funding.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:44 am to lsunurse
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If you really are an RN and are refusing this vaccine (not because of legit reasons that make you not a candidate for the vaccine) you are a complete idiot and a disgrace to the nursing profession imo.
Ah yes, the resident covid hysteric is back.
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I’m an RN and not an idiot
Extremely debatable
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:46 am to TigerBlood17
What are the effects of Covid after 18 months?
I think when we are dealing with something new and unknown, a different approach may be needed.
I think when we are dealing with something new and unknown, a different approach may be needed.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:47 am to Animal
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I trust my eyes, experiences, and interactions over the myth that most Docs know as much as they are perceived know.
A career nurse spends way more time administering actual care than your typical Dr.
As a result of the time spent with patients and around Docs coupled with the nature that made them want to be nurses in the first place they are often better care providers. Through osmosis of sorts they have 90% of the Docs knowledge and 150% of a Docs concern for their patients.
Your prototypical OT poster, ladies & gentlement. I rest my case.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:48 am to TigerBlood17
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Its not necessarily. But lets say they started human trials 3 months ago, then the data collected could only show the effects on a human after 3 months. What are the effects after 6 months, 12 months, 18 months. There is a reason these things usually take 18 to 24 months to develop and test.
The actual human testing is not what has been shortened. Everyone went through the typical three Phases of human testing.
What has been shortened is the exploratory stage, where scientist establish the mechanism for the vaccine. There was already a decent base for mRNA vaccines due to previous research, particularly those involving potential cancer mRNA vaccines (been around for 10-11 years). The other part that has been shortened, that is what typically eats up the largest frame of time, is establishing funding (which can take years) and bureaucratic red tape (which can also take a significant amount of time).
It's also worth noting that things are going to get sped up when you have many scientists in multiple labs across the globe working on the same thing. It's not like this was one small group of scientists working in one lab. That makes a huge difference as well.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:49 am to Odysseus32
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Are you out of your mind?
It was number pulled from the air simply intended to convey that doctors do not learn anything that magical with a few more years of education that an experienced nurse does not pick up over the course of a career working next to them.
Not sure why that is so controversial. I am not meaning Brain Surgeons or Retina Eye Surgeons or any other Specialist. That would not hold true. I am thinking General practitioners.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:50 am to Prominentwon
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What’s the downside of taking the vaccine?
This is the million dollar question. A few months in trials does little to make me an early adopter.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:50 am to Topisawtiger
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Let me expound on my reasons for not yet taking the vaccine
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covid does not scare me.
You're a nurse, so I assume you do get the flu vaccine, right?
So are you saying the flu scares you?
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:51 am to lsunurse
Oh look. Nurse shows up to make another snarky holier than thou post.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:56 am to Animal
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Not sure why that is so controversial. I am not meaning Brain Surgeons or Retina Eye Surgeons or any other Specialist. That would not hold true. I am thinking General practitioners.
I think you are vastly underestimating the amount of knowledge general practicioners have.
Yeah, it's not always practical to use some of the knowledge, but GPs have 4 more years of school (medical school at that) and then 3 years of training.
Nurses do 4 years and an externship. Unless they decide to NP or advance their career through other means, that's where their knowledge stops, other than continuing education when something new in the medical field happens.
This is not to shite on nurses. I know many nurses. It seems like an extremely difficult and important job. But in general I'd imagine that docs have forgotten more than some nurses learned throughout their entire education.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 8:57 am to Odysseus32
the OT has spent the last 9 months shitting all over nurses and now all of a sudden they are smarter than doctors 
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:01 am to lsunurse
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If you really are an RN and are refusing this vaccine (not because of legit reasons that make you not a candidate for the vaccine) you are a complete idiot and a disgrace to the nursing profession imo.
Wow, this will really convince anyone on the fence to get the vaccine, I'm sure of it!
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:02 am to Salmon
quote:Full disclosure. Im 34, 6' 185lb and exercise everyday. I usually dont like to put anything unnatural in my body. If I choose not to take the vaccine but everyone around me takes the vaccine, I would not be endangering anyone by not taking it. Correct?
If it helps prevent myself or my family from getting sick
Could this same logic be applied to society as a whole. If the vulnerable population takes the vaccine and the non-vulnerable population doesn't, then everyone would be safe, right? The vulnerable pop would be safe because they took the vaccine, and the non-vulnerable pop is not vulnerable to begin with. In theory, the virus would then just be passed around through the non-vulnerable pop but no one would be seriously affected.
Also, I'm not completely against the vaccine. If I was 300lb or 75+ I would take it. I think everyone has to weight the risks and every situation is different.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:02 am to Animal
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It was number pulled from the air simply intended to convey that doctors do not learn anything that magical with a few more years of education that an experienced nurse does not pick up over the course of a career working next to them.
Not sure why that is so controversial. I am not meaning Brain Surgeons or Retina Eye Surgeons or any other Specialist. That would not hold true. I am thinking General practitioners.
Because you are so abhorrently incorrect with this assessment it makes me sad for our society.
To become a GP (Family Medicine/Pediatrics/Internal Medicine) it is a MINIMUM of 7 years of intense studying, boards certifications and hands on training. While nurses provide a majority of the bedside caretaking, they are not gaining the medical decision making skills through observation. Just to become a Nurse Practitioner, onc must continue training an additional 2 years after receiving and LPN (and a few years of experience) and only then are they allowed some decision making ability - while still under the watchful eye of a physician.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:04 am to omarlittle
quote:If we have a vaccine that a bunch of Americans aren't going to take, the lockdowns aren't going to "go TF away."
I was definitely rooting for him to fast-track it so that these government-induced lockdowns would maybe go TF away.
Side note, It surely is funny that the super MAGA bros(think Poli board dudes) want everyone to give Trump credit for getting the vaccine in less than 1 year, but then absolutely crush the vaccine that they aren't going to take every chance they get.
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:06 am to FlyFisherman
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Then wonder why everyone isn’t jumping in line to get an mRNA vaccine the likes of which have never, ever been approved anywhere in the world until now.
mRNA cancer vaccines have been in clinical trials for awhile now. Moderna has good background in this.
ETA: Success in COVID-19 mRNA vaccines may push this to the forefront and could be HUGE for treating cancer. We should all be rooting for this to succeed.
This post was edited on 12/18/20 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:06 am to Salmon
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the OT has spent the last 9 months shitting all over nurses and now all of a sudden they are smarter than doctors
Posted on 12/18/20 at 9:06 am to supadave3
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Nurse, let’s say you caught Covid last week, had a mild case and were recovering fine, as were your boyfriend and children. Would you still get the vaccine?
This is what through me off about my friend. She’s a nurse and still plans on getting it in the situation above.
Every person I know in the medical field that already got COVID and recovered is planning on getting the vaccine.
I’ve always been a strong believer in vaccines (see my previous posts every year for the past several years about the importance of vaccines and the flu shot). Why would that change with this vaccine.
The COVID-19 vaccine is a medical triumph and a light at the end of a dark tunnel. Very sad many don’t see this
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