- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: I just turned down "the vaccine". Update pg 13.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:04 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:04 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
Are you on a GFM fueled bender?
Uh no. Not even sure what this means.
quote:
You're suggesting that I am not accepting that the trial was double blind? The frick?
How stupid are you? I never said you didn’t. I said you were an idiot for not knowing that I did.
quote:
Please do tell me more on this. I'd love to hear it
I’ll take, for granted, you know what these words mean in the context of statistics. People within the trial may have still exhibited a behavior that provided more, for example, social distancing than “normal” hence providing an endogenous response and causal feedback that may not have been picked up. This would be amplified by any exogenous variables such as government mandates of masking, lockdowns, etc.
1
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:04 pm to slackster
Im a nurse and I am taking it. I have some trepidation but the simplest answer is usually right. Too many brilliant people from too many different countries collaborated on this for it to be anything other than their best efforts at defeating this pandemic. Sometimes you have to accept you aren't the smartest person in the room.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:04 pm to gaetti15
quote:
Mother is an LPN, her physician recommended not taking it until later on as well to see what happens.
This is *borderline* malpractice by that physician.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:07 pm to Cosmo
quote:
Note a lot of nurses are opting out but I know almost no docs who are
I feel like a broken record but:
My wife got it today, every other doctor in her group got it, every ID doc she knows got it, every mid-level in her group got it. She read the studies talked to the ID docs and had zero hesitation once she had. I will roll up my sleeve as soon as it is available for me and would have taken it today if I had the opportunity.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:08 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
No - but what if a majority of the people in the test study were not ever exposed to Covid? Do we know if they were actually exposed?? That’s my question.
One of the trial criteria was the need to be in “at risk” group.
quote:
Pfizer and Moderna both set rules about who could participate in the trials in the first place. Pfizer's volunteers had to be "at risk for acquiring COVID-19" — people like frontline workers and those who use mass transit. Participants in Moderna's trial also had to have a considerable risk of exposure.
Granted behavior tracking is not something that the regulators appear to require, so it was not done here.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:11 pm to Bruco
quote:
Granted behavior tracking is not something that the regulators appear to require, so it was not done here.
This is what I'm most curious about. Real shame they didnt require it.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:11 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
Obtuse1
Just remember. You're not speaking to a majority MENSA crowd here.
Q-ENSA... likely. Don't waste your time.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:12 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
That was the whole point of the trial.
Lol
I understand how trials work - 170 confirmed cases out of 43,000 - so we know 170 were definitely exposed to Covid, and I know the bulk of those 170 were the control group
If the others maintained social distancing and good personal hygiene- they may not have been exposed. ‘Normal life’ right now is not so normal.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:13 pm to Jyrdis
quote:
I’ll take, for granted, you know what these words mean in the context of statistics. People within the trial may have still exhibited a behavior that provided more, for example, social distancing than “normal” hence providing an endogenous response and causal feedback that may not have been picked up. This would be amplified by any exogenous variables such as government mandates of masking, lockdowns, etc.
So your suggestion is that a majority of the study group or placebo group was affected by this more than the other to the extent that it influenced the results? That's a literal statistical impossibility.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:14 pm to lilsnappa
quote:
This is *borderline* malpractice by that physician.
Meh we are 99.9% sure we all had da rona after mardi gras.
I was in hawaii, seattle, new Orleans all within February when the outbreak was starting. We all got pretty sick around the same time.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:15 pm to gaetti15
If you get the flu at some point, you should still get a flu shot.
I'm done with this tonight fellas...theres only so much stupid I can deal with.
I'm done with this tonight fellas...theres only so much stupid I can deal with.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:16 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Long term research that proves no negative side effects?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:16 pm to rocksteady
I’ve already had it, wasn’t shite. Oddly enough, wife been working C19 ICU hasn’t and has compromised immune system. Not debating whether flu is worse than Covid. Wife says death by flu isn’t pretty. But we can rip bandaid off or slowly pull it. I’m ready to get it over with.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:17 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
If the others maintained social distancing and good personal hygiene- they may not have been exposed. ‘Normal life’ right now is not so normal.
This is what drives me batshit here. Thread after thread about masks. WGAF? It's a contact driven illness as well. There is little to zero gotcha with this shite. It's a virus
frick Fauci, Trump and Pence
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:17 pm to Bruco
quote:
One of the trial criteria was the need to be in “at risk” group.
I understand this as well but I know plenty of people who fall into what would be considered the ‘at risk’ group who have not gotten Covid - im assuming they have not been exposed
There are really no guarantees the participants were either - I do understand that 162 of the placebo recipients contracted Covid - but that’s not very many.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:17 pm to lilsnappa
quote:
If you get the flu at some point, you should still get a flu shot.
I'm done with this tonight fellas...theres only so much stupid I can deal with.
I'm a healthy individual why should I get the flu shot? This year was actually the first time I've ever gotten one.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:17 pm to GreenRockTiger
quote:
If the others maintained social distancing and good personal hygiene- they may not have been exposed. ‘Normal life’ right now is not so normal.
Maybe I'm just not explaining this in a way that is clear for you all to understand, and for that I apologize.
You have 20,000 people in each group. The only way it could impact things is if a majority of the 20,000 in ONE of the groups acted significantly differently than the other. It is literally impossible for that to happen.
If there were 4 people in each group, sure...it could happen by random chance because the numbers are so small. The studies are designed to account for all of this. As such, the only variable is if they got the vaccine. As such you can attribute any reductions to that variable.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:20 pm to BlindTiger7
quote:
Long term research that proves no negative side effects?
How long would it need to be to satisfy you?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:20 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
So your suggestion is that a majority of the study group or placebo group was affected by this more than the other to the extent that it influenced the results? That's a literal statistical impossibility.
Wow! Amazing. You’ve literally created yet another strawman.
To get you started
Go back to your CVS managing.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 11:24 pm to Chucktown_Badger
quote:
Maybe I'm just not explaining this in a way that is clear for you all to understand, and for that I apologize.
No reason to apologize- I used to do research and know exactly what can happen given different variables. Which is one of the reasons I’m questioning the reliability. If both groups were living normal lives, I might not have a problem with it. Or the vaccine trials prove masks don’t work.
When Trump began touting this vaccine crap earlier this year - I was against it - for me it has nothing to do with politics - and more with what I feel comfortable with from what I’ve learned. I, unfortunately, know data can be manipulated to get the needed end result.
Page 11 of 30
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News