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re: Hydroxychloroquine was always a scam
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:01 pm to reddy tiger
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:01 pm to reddy tiger
I'm sorry more people aren't dying and this is helping many others.
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Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:03 pm to Klark Kent
FAKE NEWS!!!! Look at who paid for the study.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:05 pm to reddy tiger
Funny how others are having success with it.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:07 pm to reddy tiger
Sad that there are a dozen posters here so fricking stupid they would turn away a cure for something because a politician they didn't like was promoting it.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:09 pm to reddy tiger
The VA?????? Tell me you're not serious
The VA couldn't find it's arse with 8 hands in a telephone booth
The VA couldn't find it's arse with 8 hands in a telephone booth
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:10 pm to reddy tiger
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reddy tiger
Thank you Dr. Karen
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:10 pm to reddy tiger
Here is a meta review: LINK
Safety profile ok, not curative but slows radiological progression of disease. More data needed.
Safety profile ok, not curative but slows radiological progression of disease. More data needed.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:11 pm to reddy tiger
What does your wife’s boyfriend think about it?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:12 pm to reddy tiger
Briefly looking at the study itself, which is linked in the article you posted, there were a number of significant differences between the populations of the study (using alpha = 0.05; p-value).
They include a table of the demographics and baseline health data of the individuals used. It appears to me, a medical layman, that the two groups that got the hydroxychloroquine (HC) were in worse health than those that did not get it. The most important conditions, with what we know about the virus so far, being that the two HC groups had significantly higher blood pressure than the non-HC group, and looked to have significantly fewer people with > 95 pulseox readings. And over 31% of the people that didn't get the HC still got the antibiotic. Check the table for more.
The people that got the HC were worse off than the people that didn't get it, no wonder their outcomes were worse!
They include a table of the demographics and baseline health data of the individuals used. It appears to me, a medical layman, that the two groups that got the hydroxychloroquine (HC) were in worse health than those that did not get it. The most important conditions, with what we know about the virus so far, being that the two HC groups had significantly higher blood pressure than the non-HC group, and looked to have significantly fewer people with > 95 pulseox readings. And over 31% of the people that didn't get the HC still got the antibiotic. Check the table for more.
The people that got the HC were worse off than the people that didn't get it, no wonder their outcomes were worse!
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:15 pm to reddy tiger
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:19 pm to reddy tiger
Yeah.. this was, again, a poorly designed study. You cannot make any conclusions based on this because it shows there was selection bias in the HCQ and non-HCQ groups. The HCQ group clearly shows there was a higher severity of illness and a higher frequency of co-morbidities.
Still patiently waiting for better studies to come out on the early use of HCQ with Azithromycin/Doxycycline (~48-72 hrs after onset of symptoms) before saying this is just snake oil.
Still patiently waiting for better studies to come out on the early use of HCQ with Azithromycin/Doxycycline (~48-72 hrs after onset of symptoms) before saying this is just snake oil.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:22 pm to reddy tiger
Your mother thought the same thing about birth control, the OT got you
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:27 pm to reddy tiger
This wasn't a a clinical trial, it was a retrospective chart review with statistical analysis. The patients were all hospitalized and the group who got HCQ were sicker than the ones who didn't get the drug (unfortunately not mentioned until the discussion section near the bottom and not well explained then).
Nothing wrong with doing an analysis like this, but the conclusions basically depend on statistical outcome weightings assigned to dozens of different comorbidities and pre-treatment clinical parameters. You could tweak those variables and get conclusions all over the board. By leading with raw unadjusted mortality numbers and no mention of treated vs non-treated cohort disparities in their abstract summary, the study (and the article) appears to lean towards bias. In other words, no more useful, probably less useful than most Covid treatment data we've seen so far.
Nothing wrong with doing an analysis like this, but the conclusions basically depend on statistical outcome weightings assigned to dozens of different comorbidities and pre-treatment clinical parameters. You could tweak those variables and get conclusions all over the board. By leading with raw unadjusted mortality numbers and no mention of treated vs non-treated cohort disparities in their abstract summary, the study (and the article) appears to lean towards bias. In other words, no more useful, probably less useful than most Covid treatment data we've seen so far.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:28 pm to Methuselah
quote:Shut up you nincompoop.
Over/Under on personal insults in this thread - 45.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:36 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
quote:
Over/Under on personal insults in this thread - 45.
Shut up you nincompoop.
Have an upvote.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:38 pm to reddy tiger
Well so much for my medicinal gin and tonics.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:39 pm to reddy tiger
Maybe the researchers should watch the video of the doctor in Italy going door to door treating people with symptoms before they come to the hospital.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:41 pm to reddy tiger
Whatever you say fuqtardius
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:43 pm to reddy tiger
Your mom’s box was always a scam.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:55 pm to reddy tiger
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Just a way for Trump to get through the news cycle. Everyone with a brain called this.
Well frick! What will I do with 100 cases of fish tank cleaner?
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