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Hyatt Regency Walkway collapse
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 12/1/18 at 1:59 pm
After digging into the BR library debacle, I stumbled across this and I had never heard of it before. Prior to 9/11, this was the deadliest structural Collapse in the US. It’s crazy that the careless of one or a handful of professionals results in a disaster such as this.
and the engineers responsible were acquitted
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The Hyatt Regency walkway collapse took place at the Hyatt Regency Kansas City hotel in Kansas City, Missouri, on July 17, 1981. Two walkways, one directly above the other, collapsed onto a tea dance being held in the hotel's lobby. The falling walkways killed 114 and injured 216.
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One of the defining features of the hotel was its lobby, which incorporated a multistory atrium spanned by elevated walkways suspended from the ceiling. These steel, glass and concrete crossings connected the second, third and fourth floors between the north and south wings. The walkways were approximately 120 ft (37 m) long and weighed approximately 64,000 lb (29,000 kg). The fourth level walkway aligned directly above the second level walkway.
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On the evening of Friday, July 17, 1981, approximately 1,600 people gathered in the atrium to participate in and watch a tea dance. At 7:05 p.m. local time (00:05 UTC; July 18) the second-level walkway held approximately 40 people with more on the third and an additional 16 to 20 on the fourth level who watched the activities of the crowd in the lobby below. The fourth-floor bridge was suspended directly over the second-floor bridge, with the third-floor walkway offset several meters from the others. Construction difficulties resulted in a subtle but flawed design change that doubled the load on the connection between the fourth-floor walkway support beams and the tie rods carrying the weight of both walkways. This new design was barely adequate to support the dead load weight of the structure itself, much less the added weight of the spectators. According to the National Geographic documentary programme Seconds From Disaster, many of the survivors reported hearing popping noises coming from above them shortly before the collapse. Only moments later, the fourth-floor walkway suddenly dropped several inches under the spectators, before falling completely onto the second-floor walkway. Both walkways later crashed to the lobby floor below, resulting in 111 deaths at the scene and 219 injuries. Three additional victims died after being transported to hospitals, bringing the total number of deaths to 114.
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Dr. Joseph Waeckerle, former chief of Kansas City's emergency medical system, directed the rescue effort establishing a makeshift morgue in a ground floor exhibition area, using the hotel's driveway and front lawn as a triage area and helping to organize the wounded by greatest need for medical care. Those people who could walk were instructed to leave the hotel to simplify the rescue effort; those mortally injured were told they were going to die and given morphine. Often, rescuers had to dismember bodies to reach survivors among the wreckage. One victim's right leg was trapped under an I-beam and had to be amputated by a surgeon, a task which was completed with a chainsaw.
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Investigators concluded that the basic problem was a lack of proper communication between Jack D. Gillum and Associates and Havens Steel. In particular, the drawings prepared by Jack D. Gillum and Associates were only preliminary sketches but were interpreted by Havens as finalized drawings. Jack D. Gillum and Associates failed to review the initial design thoroughly, and accepted Havens' proposed plan without performing basic calculations that would have revealed its serious intrinsic flaws — in particular, the doubling of the load on the fourth-floor beams. It was later revealed that when Havens called Jack D. Gillum and Associates to propose the new design, the engineer they spoke with simply approved the changes over the phone, without viewing any sketches or performing calculations.
and the engineers responsible were acquitted
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:01 pm to DCtiger1
I don't remember any of that.
But I remember the building on Airline Hwy that collapsed and killed many during construction iirc.
Is that the spin-off.
But I remember the building on Airline Hwy that collapsed and killed many during construction iirc.
Is that the spin-off.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:02 pm to DCtiger1
If you have an civil engineering degree, you learned about this in your senior design course. Its part of the doctrine.
It's the classic example of how things change through little allowances here and there from the design through the actual completion of a build, and it can have fatal results.
It's the classic example of how things change through little allowances here and there from the design through the actual completion of a build, and it can have fatal results.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/1/18 at 2:07 pm to DCtiger1
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After digging into the BR library debacle, I stumbled across this and I had never heard of it before
I had to read this book when I first started working in a small structural firm. It was one of the first cases they discussed. My a-hole has been puckered when it comes to analysis since.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 3:47 pm to DCtiger1
Crazy. I have never heard of this. It just goes to show you there is little to gain from the media/politicians from an event like this that can't progress an agenda. It's evident it's not about the loss of life, but about the controversy.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:04 pm to DCtiger1
Remember that well. Bizarre accident.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:07 pm to DCtiger1
I remember when that happened.
Subsequently stayed at that hotel.
Subsequently stayed at that hotel.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:08 pm to AUsteriskPride
I watched that “Seconds from Disaster” documentary recently. It’s really disturbing. There were news cameras there if I recall so there’s lots of footage of the chaos.
To see how poorly that design was engineered, it’s absolutely horrifying. Just ignorant of all structural safety and integrity considerations. Just a mess.
To see how poorly that design was engineered, it’s absolutely horrifying. Just ignorant of all structural safety and integrity considerations. Just a mess.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 4:42 pm to DCtiger1
I was in Kansas City in October.
That could have been me.
Kinda makes you think.....
That could have been me.
Kinda makes you think.....
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:28 pm to soccerfüt
I had visited the hotel and shopping center the previous summer. It had been built on "worthless" land and was the pride of Kansas City at the time.
The interior space at the hotel was really neat, the bridges were still new and their paint was clean. To me the spans looked really long. But what did I know?
I do remember live coverage of the fallen concrete and how it looked as if a model had failed in many places.
The interior space at the hotel was really neat, the bridges were still new and their paint was clean. To me the spans looked really long. But what did I know?
I do remember live coverage of the fallen concrete and how it looked as if a model had failed in many places.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:38 pm to DCtiger1
What the hell is a tea dance?
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:39 pm to DCtiger1
Seconds from disaster (YouTube) about the Walkway collapse.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 5:57 pm to DCtiger1
The Theater Came Crashing Down

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In the dodgy Greenwich Village of the early ’70s, the groundbreaking Mercer Arts Center brought Shakespeare and punk together under one roof—until tragedy struck.

quote:Johnny Thunders of the New York Dolls on stage at the Mercer Arts Center
To help pay for the costs of the renovations and the theatrical productions, the Mercer opened its unused spaces to punk rock bands. The Center’s Blue Room theater became home to a rapidly growing fringe music scene, hosting the first concerts of bands like the New York Dolls, the Modern Lovers and Suicide—groups laying the foundation for early punk rock.
In 1972, Lou Reed had left the Velvet Underground, the Factory was fading, and punk needed a home. “CBGB was a Hells Angels hangout,” says Alan Vega of the electronic protopunk duo Suicide. “Max’s was closed.” In the renovated theaters of Mercer Street, the punks came home to roost.
In the summer of 1972, Marty Thau saw a sign outside the Center advertising an incredible bargain: “NEW YORK DOLLS: 2 SETS $3.” Six months earlier, Thau had quit his job at Paramount Records and was looking for a new project. He paid six bucks and he and his wife were treated to “five guys dressed as women in horrible makeup and jewelry.” “I was blown away by the performance,” he recalls. Thau became the band’s manager, arranging a residency at the Center. They played there every Tuesday night for a year.
“Elton John, Susan Sontag, Andy Warhol and Fran Lebowitz started showing up at the shows,” Thau remembers. The theater-supermarket experiment was working. Successful Off-Broadway performances, music performances and art all came together and created a unique location.
But the problems on the Broadway side of the building proved to be too heavy. The walls were beginning to sag...

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