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re: Hurricane Maria - Visiting the Outer Banks before Moving OTS

Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
10274 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:10 pm to
Txwading,

Is there anything that could have been done to strengthen that home. If being up on the required stilt height wasn't enough, then what would have been?
Does their lot still have grass so the state can't claim it?
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
10274 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

80 ft. How is that possible?


?Steep v-shaped valley cut in deeply weathered laterite soils???

From Google maps: it's up in the mountains, with a fairly small drainage area and surrounded by apparently steep hill sides. A foot of water falls and immediately rushes downhill making two feet of water where it hits a flatish area. Add all those feet of water draining off of so many hill sides.
Follow the river to the north and you'll see a very narrow dam. That really says narrow v-shaped valley, and to me I wonder about the integrity of the dam.
Google map with the rio plata in the province
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted by RazorBroncs
Possesses the largest
Member since Sep 2013
15017 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

The pic with all the pieces of wood/logs covering the street is crazy.




I mean, how do you even begin cleaning that up? Obviously backhoes and dump trucks, but assuming roads look like that in the surrounding areas and are washed out/unstable in places? It also shows how much power there is behind a strong hurricane to just shred wood like that, and the governor says they still haven't communicated with the entire southeast of the island?

It's gonna be BAD there for a while, and that's putting it lightly.
Posted by TxWadingFool
Middle Coast
Member since Sep 2014
5117 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 12:52 pm to
I'm not sure about strengthening but I'm sure it's something they'll look into during the rebuilding process. We were at ground zero in the northeast eyewall with 140+ mph winds, that is what took the roof off then once the eye went by the wrap around 120+ winds from the southwest pushed a 12' storm surge across the point on the open bay they sit on that has a elevation of about 4'. I'm not sure what year that home was built but there are plenty of newer homes right behind them that have been built in the last 2 years that also suffered some wind and surge damage but not total loses for sure, some of older places in that area that were not kept up with were completely wiped away, the place next door to them only had the pilings, the second story floor that sat on the pilings, and the bath tub that was bolted to floor left. Several places it just lifted the whole second story off the pilings and sat them down across the road in pieces, given the debris line north of the bay it looks like the water pushed inland at least 3 miles from existing shoreline where they are located. Given their elevations it a given the ground floors are going to probably get water in them with a decent storm but Harvey was bit more than that so it also effected the upper floor after the roof came apart.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20082 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

, how do you even begin cleaning that up?
I'd consider burning it.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90105 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

?Steep v-shaped valley cut in deeply weathered laterite soils??? From Google maps: it's up in the mountains, with a fairly small drainage area and surrounded by apparently steep hill sides. A foot of water falls and immediately rushes downhill making two feet of water where it hits a flatish area. Add all those feet of water draining off of so many hill sides. Follow the river to the north and you'll see a very narrow dam. That really says narrow v-shaped valley, and to me I wonder about the integrity of the dam.


The NWS has stated the readings on the Rio de la Plata @ Comerio and below la Plata Dam are both inaccurate and awaiting repair. You'll see a note right below the graph in red font.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
10274 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 1:54 pm to
Slackster,

thank you, I was about to get out a planimeter to measure areas.

The map of Puerto Rico that shows 'flood stages at stations'
really makes the gauge in the town questionable since one slightly upstream doesn't support it. Adv. hydrologic prediction
Posted by glb
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2008
1602 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

A foot of water falls and immediately rushes downhill making two feet of water where it hits a flatish area.




Those gauges can produce bad data readings when shite is hitting the fan. Most likely what it is. The only thing I can really see causing a wall of water like that is if a dam with a ton of head broke and the gauge was able to pick up the flood wave. There is definitely some record flooding going on though.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
38932 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

? Obviously backhoes and dump trucks, but assuming roads look like that in the surrounding areas and are washed out/unstable in places?


In Houston, it is hard to find equipment right now. I cannot imagine what is happening over there.
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
10347 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 3:25 pm to
Like another said, I would burn it.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36408 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 3:50 pm to


Maria seems to be recovering a bit this afternoon. Eye appears to be tighetning up with some leftover cloud debris still floating in the center. She probably has another day or so to get a little stronger before the shear really starts to tear her down.
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
12475 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:04 pm to
That picture is Roseau which is the capital of Dominica. That country is totally screwed because they are an independent nation = no foreign support by the Western countries forthcoming to help them out.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
104762 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 5:38 pm to
quote:

Maria sucking up all the Don Q in San Juan.


fify
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

Maria sucking up all the Don Q in San Juan.


Hope Maria didn't mess up the Serralles plant!
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:22 pm to
Good to hear things are straightening out



Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
49058 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 6:42 pm to
quote:

That picture is Roseau which is the capital of Dominica. That country is totally screwed because they are an independent nation = no foreign support by the Western countries forthcoming to help them out.
Maybe they'd be willing to sell the country to some other country?
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
24606 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:26 pm to
Info from a buddy from PR:

"North side (San Juan area) friends are all ok and posting on internet. South side (Ponce) where I am from there is no communication. Don't know about family and friends. Heard lots of flooding and wood homes, wood roof flattened. Not a pretty picture for PR."
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36408 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:33 pm to
That report is sadly expected. The south side of the island, specifically south of the mountains would have gotten the stongest winds, surge and enhanced rainfall due to the mountains.

My heart goes out to all those folks. It's going to be a long long recovery. This sort of storm is life changing.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52112 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:34 pm to
quote:

Like another said, I would burn it.



Load it up and ship it to Haiti. They literally have stripped the countryside of wood for cooking fires, etc.
Posted by Mercy Percy
Norman Oklahoma
Member since Oct 2009
1321 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 8:23 pm to
My gf is wondering if we should cancel our crusie out of San Juan in 1st of nov... I'm like calm down and let's see what happens Ina few days. We got a condo right on isla verde and the get on the boat. I sure hope those people can get the help they need.
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