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How’s this for school security?
Posted by TDsngumbo on 2/24/18 at 10:43 am049
$400,000 per school is a lot of money but I would happily pay 1% or 2% higher property taxes to pay for every school in the district to have this. Couple this with armed national guard in the schools and I believe you drastically reduce the risk of a mass shooting being so mass.
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re: How’s this for school security?Posted by 3deadtrolls on 2/24/18 at 10:46 am to TDsngumbo
If high schools went to online classes we'd save a fortune and eliminate a lot of targets. Local bureaucrats would never go for that though.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by PrivatePublic on 2/24/18 at 10:49 am to TDsngumbo
I fail to see how cameras stop someone intent on quick murder, and a 10 minute response is still too long IMO.
I love how the solution to guns is always more guns. There was an armed guard in Florida and he stood outside while it went down. On top of that, if there are armed guards, you don't think the kids who plan this won't take that into account? They'll enter through another entrance, they could stash the weapons in lockers, a whole multitude of things that prob won't save many lives. On top of that, let's say the guards do go in and find him, he takes a classroom hostage and now what?
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by GoHoGsGo06 on 2/24/18 at 10:56 am to Kuzuri
Agree. Although the intention of beefing up security seems intuitively good, there would be unintended consequences such as more in-depth planned attacks (ie killing everyone intended in less than 3 minutes), partnership shootings (2-3 shooters vs. 1-2 guards). More guns in the school doesn’t mean it’ll be safer unfortunately.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by Kuzuri on 2/24/18 at 10:58 am to GoHoGsGo06
I agree completely but some of these schools are massive, do you know how many guards you would need per school? How many high schools are there in each state, hell each city? Then that's assuming they go into a high school and not an elementary one like Sandy Hook. Who's going to pay for all these guards from 8 - 3 five days a week for half a year?
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by HooDooWitch on 2/24/18 at 10:59 am to TDsngumbo
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I would happily pay 1% or 2% higher property taxes to pay for every school in the district to have this.
Speak for your self. If you want to protect your kids more you can buy more candy bars, donate money, or they can get rid of any tax deductions/exemptions.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by HooDooWitch on 2/24/18 at 11:02 am to Tiguar
Real world solution. Put police precincts in or adjacent to the schools. Big time deterrent. Cops can't get any closer. There is money budgeted for this already just move the existing location.
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re: How’s this for school security?Posted by Walt OReilly on 2/24/18 at 11:02 am to TDsngumbo
You can’t change much. Unfortunately school shootings will happen. Will never be able to stop them. Send your kids to a private school
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by gorillacoco on 2/24/18 at 11:11 am to Kuzuri
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I love how the solution to guns is always more guns. There was an armed guard in Florida and he stood outside while it went down. On top of that, if there are armed guards, you don't think the kids who plan this won't take that into account? They'll enter through another entrance, they could stash the weapons in lockers, a whole multitude of things that prob won't save many lives. On top of that, let's say the guards do go in and find him, he takes a classroom hostage and now what?
If a mass murderer even thinks for a second that an armed guard has arrived, he has to at a minimum slow his entire plan down. It may not immediately stop the entire situation but he cannot just walk the halls shooting people at will any more, and if he takes a class hostage he will either have to deal with a stand down or if he starts shooting, deal with the fact that an armed guard may bust in at any second. All the while law enforcement gets more time to arrive and really deal with the shooter. Anyone who conceal carries would not be known to the shooter, which means he has to consider that every faculty member is a legit threat to him.
Of course we could take the same tack we have been, maybe even outlaw large magazines or regular rifles that "look like" assault rifles, which basically means what, the shooter has to change magazines more often, but still knows that it's against the law for anyone on campus to have a gun to oppose him with? Sounds like a great plan.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by DavidTheGnome on 2/24/18 at 11:12 am to Walt OReilly
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You can’t change much. Unfortunately school shootings will happen. Will never be able to stop them.
This is the only realistic answer. If someone wants to they will. Maybe not inside the school, maybe outside. Or a mall. Or wherever. But no amount of money is going to fully protect you. But what will happen is we sacrifice independence and normalcy and growing up for the sake of security. Hell there have been several users on here that have called for digital classrooms as a result, imagine the generation of kids that never actually goes to school to interact with people.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by Evolved Simian on 2/24/18 at 11:13 am to 3deadtrolls
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If high schools went to online classes we'd save a fortune
Not sure how it would save a fortune, since you'd have to provide the technology and data transfer infrastructure to every home in a district to be legally compliant. This would be a nightmare cost in large rural districts.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by Kuzuri on 2/24/18 at 11:17 am to gorillacoco
So you just automatically assume that this person who already isn't in their right mind is gonna just stop shooting and go "Oh no! there's an armed guard coming! I should prob quit firing and stop it"?
On top of that, this isn't the movies so don't expect some crack headshot if he is using a student as a body shield. Who's to say these armed guards don't fire and possibly hit more students, I didn't even stop to think of having a literal fire fight in the middle of a hallway.
On top of that, this isn't the movies so don't expect some crack headshot if he is using a student as a body shield. Who's to say these armed guards don't fire and possibly hit more students, I didn't even stop to think of having a literal fire fight in the middle of a hallway.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by DavidTheGnome on 2/24/18 at 11:20 am to Kuzuri
These kids go in with the expectation of not coming out. It’s suicide but murder a bunch of people first. The thought process of dealing with an armed guard or it being a soft target etc isn’t running through their minds. They want to kill their peers and then themselves.
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re: How’s this for school security?Posted by Kuzuri on 2/24/18 at 11:26 am to DavidTheGnome
Exactly, couldn't agree more.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by gorillacoco on 2/24/18 at 11:30 am to Kuzuri
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So you just automatically assume that this person who already isn't in their right mind is gonna just stop shooting and go "Oh no! there's an armed guard coming! I should prob quit firing and stop it"?
I mean, if the shooter keeps shooting and disregards the guard or concealed-carrier, I would imagine that he would get shot. That's kind of the entire idea.
re: How’s this for school security?Posted by Kuzuri on 2/24/18 at 11:33 am to gorillacoco
Okay but stricter gun laws have a much better chance of eliminating this. Your solution would just lower the body count, which I don't have a kid but I assume even one child shot is one child too many.
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