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re: How young is too young to use a pinch collar on a dog?
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:06 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:06 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
If you are referring to a chain collar they aren’t supposed to choke. It’s the noise next to the ear from the chain. Make sure it’s put on correctly and you keep dog on correct side of you. If done correctly age doesn’t matter, however really 6 months
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Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:09 pm to Bucktail1
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They're not used by reputable dog trainers. Very little use for a choke collar.
Chain slide collars are the standard with trainers around the globe. Many people refer to these as choke collars
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:37 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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They’re used by dog trainers all over the place.
They can do damage to the animal's larynx. Big time no go.
There are much better ways imho, but to each his own .... poor dogs be damned.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:44 pm to scrooster
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They can do damage to the animal's larynx. Big time no go.
Only if used improperly, which many people not trained/instructed to use them properly do.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:47 pm to NYCAuburn
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Chain slide collars are the standard with trainers around the globe.
Now that's completely different ... a horse of a different color.
Provided they are chain side and automatically tension released by the animal themselves then yes, those are often employed and they are a useful training tool for most dogs. Not sled dogs like Huskies, but most dogs.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:52 pm to scrooster
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They can do damage to the animal's larynx. Big time no go.
If they’re not in the right position on the dog, and if you yank the frick out of it, yes they can.
I, however, do not aim to do harm to my dog, only to train her. And that is why I started this thread, because I have read that they are excellent training tools. I just want to make sure that IF I opt to use it as a training tool on my dog, that I’m using it correctly.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:53 pm to dakarx
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reward based training is faster and just plain works
Totally agree, but...
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I've been keeping and training bird dogs (both for field work and home) for the last 30+ years.
You telling me you train working dogs with no connection? No shock collar?? I need some pointers.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:54 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
I tried without one for my lab and even took her to dog training where she excelled except for with the leash. A choke collar fixed than in a few weeks. It taught her to not pull and she learned quickly. Then we went back to a regular collar.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:54 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
A dog can be properly trained with out either.
I've done it several times. The best training tool is patience.Dogs aren't born knowing how to read human's minds.
In the other hand if making a poor confused creature yelp in pain makes you feel better about yourself, that's your choice.
I've done it several times. The best training tool is patience.Dogs aren't born knowing how to read human's minds.
In the other hand if making a poor confused creature yelp in pain makes you feel better about yourself, that's your choice.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:55 pm to Ash Williams
Damage the trachea as well if improperly used
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:58 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
We got one for our goldendoodle because he would start to strangle himself trying to run across the apartment complex to the dog area when we lived there.
We used it as a last resort and after about a week he stopped trying to take off and drag us and we stopped using the pinch collar and went back to his normal one.
Three years later and he still doesn’t pull the leash at all
We used it as a last resort and after about a week he stopped trying to take off and drag us and we stopped using the pinch collar and went back to his normal one.
Three years later and he still doesn’t pull the leash at all
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:00 pm to Gray Tiger
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In the other hand if making a poor confused creature yelp in pain makes you feel better about yourself, that's your choice.
A property used training collar doesn’t cause this...
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:00 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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And that is why I started this thread, because I have read that they are excellent training tools. I just want to make sure that IF I opt to use it as a training tool on my dog, that I’m using it correctly.
They are pretty much the standard. Like stated put on correctly, stand on the correct side, and learn how to hold the leash and do the correction properly. Also a dog pulling themselves on a chain collar isn’t going to harm them.
The o ring should always fall down on the chain.
ETA if your dog is having problems pulling to hard on leash, a chain collar in and of itself is not the fix for that particular problem though.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:01 pm to bayourougebengal
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reward based training is faster and just plain works
I’ve read that it works but can end up backfiring because the dog will just expect the treat every time and will be less willing after time to heed the command. But I’m not a dog trainer. I understand that treats will be needed from time to time for positive reinforcement so I’m not opposed to it. Just don’t want to get the dog in the habit of begging for a treat when I command her to do something.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:01 pm to McCaigBro69
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We got one for our dog because he would start to strangle himself
When I was a kid our German shepherd had a choke collar...he jumped over the chain link fence and hung himself. We found him hanging from the fence dead. sucked.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:03 pm to Rammin TX
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When I was a kid our German shepherd had a choke collar...he jumped over the chain link fence and hung himself. We found him hanging from the fence dead. sucked.
A training collar should NEVER be left on a dog that is not actively being trained, period.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:03 pm to Rammin TX
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When I was a kid our German shepherd had a choke collar...he jumped over the chain link fence and hung himself. We found him hanging from the fence dead. sucked.
I bet. Seems pretty dumb to leave the thing on the dog without anyone watching it though.
We only put it on the dog when we left the apartment and took it off immediately once we got where we were going.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:06 pm to Rammin TX
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When I was a kid our German shepherd had a choke collar...he jumped over the chain link fence and hung himself. We found him hanging from the fence dead. sucked.
A training collar is only for training. Not for normal wear.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:07 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I just want to make sure that IF I opt to use it as a training tool on my dog, that I’m using it correctly.
Do yourself a favor if you are in the BR area, especially if this is the first dog you really plan to train, and sign up for the Larry Benoit classes, he continued the Dick Russell method after Dick quit and then died.
Larry Benoit
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:09 pm to NYCAuburn
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ETA if your dog is having problems pulling to hard on leash, a chain collar in and of itself is not the fix for that particular problem though.
Idk if she will or won’t, I don’t have her yet.
I just want to make sure that if I do opt to use it that she’s not too young and her neck not too small to where I do damage to it even if used properly.
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