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re: How the Army sabotaged the M16
Posted on 3/26/25 at 5:58 pm to BarberitosDawg
Posted on 3/26/25 at 5:58 pm to BarberitosDawg
The design of the weapon is a better infantry rifle than the M14, for reasons mentioned. Its also insanely reliable when done right, something we didn't have the ability to do.
Damned shame how our guys were treated in nam
Damned shame how our guys were treated in nam
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 5:58 pm to cgrand
quote:
M14 was the better battle rifle to begin with
Not only was it heavy AF, but less than half could begin to control it while firing FA. Now, I understand that full auto isn't something you really want to do, but there are times when a grunt would need it.
They were so uncontrollable that lots of them were issued with no selector switch. Which, in turn, was a mind frick for some soldiers.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:10 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Agree on some points, when the AR’s were taken up but NATO went with the FAL and we almost did but politics played a part…
The M-16-A1 in full auto is uncontrolled as well and is why it was removed and the 3 round burst enacted on the A-2.
The M-16-A1 in full auto is uncontrolled as well and is why it was removed and the 3 round burst enacted on the A-2.
This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:17 pm to tide06
quote:
The argument is that Abraham Lincoln had no legal justification for locking people up indefinitely simply for publishing things he didnt like, making him a tyrant.
By God, you're right! He was a TYRANT!!1!
The whole war was unconstitutional!
You should bring suit against the government, I bet the court would re-instate the CSA!
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:23 pm to Harry Boutte
This needs a separate thread. God damn that’s an insane comment you highlighted!
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:26 pm to IAmNERD
The M14 was supposed to replace the M1, the Thompson/M3 Grease gun, and the BAR.
A tall order.
A tall order.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:28 pm to BarberitosDawg
quote:
This needs a separate thread.
After 160 years, it needs to die.
After all, Lincoln paid the price for his tyranny:
"Sic Semper Tyrannis!"
And we reap the fruits of his tyranny.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:30 pm to FightinTigersDammit
I agree with the assessment but if my memory serves correct the FAL out performed the M-14 in trials but some obscure general wasn’t having any part of it?
Hence we got the M-14 instead of the FAL.
Your thoughts?
Hence we got the M-14 instead of the FAL.
Your thoughts?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:31 pm to BarberitosDawg
Most likely NIH.
Not invented here.
Not invented here.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:33 pm to Harry Boutte
You can bet the newspapers in the 1860's weren't concerned with any "constitutional crisis".
Not for long, anyway.
Not for long, anyway.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:39 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Absolutely, contracts, Congressmen districts, all pushing buttons. Truth is we were still buying shitty small and medium built mortar systems from the UK that were far inferior to what the Israelis had come up with because of the same issues.
I grant these caused as much difficulty as the maligned and blamed M-16-A1 rifle?
I grant these caused as much difficulty as the maligned and blamed M-16-A1 rifle?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:41 pm to BarberitosDawg
They certainly didn't get the publicity the Mattel got.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:46 pm to FightinTigersDammit
quote:
You can bet the newspapers in the 1860's weren't concerned with any "constitutional crisis".
Not for long, anyway.
What no one wants to admit is that there was no freedom of speech in the Antebellum South. If you spoke out against slavery, you would be lynched.
The CSA was no paragon of liberty. Thank God it was dissolved.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:50 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Agreed, humping that plate for your time will make things real for sure.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:53 pm to Harry Boutte
quote:
By God, you're right! He was a TYRANT!!1!
The whole war was unconstitutional!
You should bring suit against the government, I bet the court would re-instate the CSA!
I don't understand all of your strawman arguments in this thread.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 6:57 pm to SidewalkTiger
It’s a great thread bringing back a lot of memories from my time in and those of my first older cousins who actually were in the shite and why I went in.
His comments are really needed in another thread is all.
His comments are really needed in another thread is all.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:10 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I don't understand all of your strawman arguments in this thread.
Because I'm not arguing shite.
Tide06 cried about the suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War, and I merely pointed out that there was an exception to habeas corpus in the Constitution. He didn't like it, and I've just basically been making fun of him since.
Hell, I even said I wasn't going to get into it with a "Lost Causer".
Have you never seen one of these Civil War threads before? It's always the same shite. They NEVER get anywhere.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:29 pm to Harry Boutte
Hey man,
You are hijacking this thread, I gave you a very favorable reply and I would like to see one started by you on depth and perception on that topic my input might surprise all?
This is an M-16 thread and while I might have rambled and added discussion in different directions it’s kinda connected.
Can we agree to disagree with this?
You are hijacking this thread, I gave you a very favorable reply and I would like to see one started by you on depth and perception on that topic my input might surprise all?
This is an M-16 thread and while I might have rambled and added discussion in different directions it’s kinda connected.
Can we agree to disagree with this?
Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:31 pm to prplhze2000
The round was also considered ineffective because it was hot and fast and FMJ. It would go right through the enemy w/o expanding or providing any stopping power. Over penetration. Soldiers didn’t think it was hitting the enemy.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:55 pm to prplhze2000
The sad truth is this is very very common. In WW2 some of the shite was such crap, soliders were getting killed all over the place and the president had to threaten CEOs with being hanged for treason if they did not quit making shitty bullets and guns etc. It's classic profit over people shite.
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