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re: how should a company compensate an hourly employee for out of state training
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:24 am to gamatt53
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:24 am to gamatt53
thanks for the advice. I've never been hourly so I don't know the standards in pay for situations like this. I'll tell him to make the most out of it.
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Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:26 am to chinhoyang
Pay him his hourly rate for the time driving. Pay him his hourly rate for the time training. Reimburse his travel expenses. Anything other than that is excessive.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:27 am to Topwater Trout
You'd need to pay for his travel time as well but the hours he actually works/travel time is all he should be paid for. Exempt employees don't get a bonus for travel....so why should a non-exempt? However, you guys should probably prepay for his room and travel.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:27 am to chinhoyang
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he would be entitled to overtime.
For what? The flight? Is it work to sleep in a hotel?
I am not arguing the laws, as I don't know them, I just know what I get as a salaried employee that travels a lot.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:29 am to roguetiger15
he's just fronting the money, perhaps he just don't have extra, whatever, but he just needs to save every receipt, and he's totally compensated for his time/expenses and gets upgraded skills
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:29 am to tiger 56
plus $30 per night to cover meals etc.
That's a really shitty per diem btw. I think recommended is around $72/day UNLESS the company reimburses all meals.
That's a really shitty per diem btw. I think recommended is around $72/day UNLESS the company reimburses all meals.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:30 am to roguetiger15
Company should pay for his flight and hotel up front. If he is in training for 8 hours then I wouldn't have a problem being paid 8 hours. Should probably be given a meal per diem if the company doesn't provide lunch or dinner.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:30 am to GRTiger
his biggest gripe was that if he's hourly and he can't do what he wants to do because he has to be in a hotel out of state for a week for mandatory training he should be compensated for it.
in our company, only managers have company cc's. everyone else has to expense anything they pay for (flights, meals, rooms etc.)
in our company, only managers have company cc's. everyone else has to expense anything they pay for (flights, meals, rooms etc.)
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:32 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:31 am to roguetiger15
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his biggest gripe was that if he's hourly and he can't do what he wants to do because he has to be in a hotel out of state for a week for mandatory training he should be compensated for it.
How does being hourly have any effect on that?
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:31 am to BroPaterno
The only problem I see is not making an advance available for someone that is hourly. Not everyone in that position has the means to front those expenses on short notice.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:33 am to DoUrden
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How does being hourly have any effect on that?
I don't know. just relaying what he said. I think he's just upset that he will be stuck in a hotel for a week and not being able to go home everyday like he usually does and he'll be getting paid the same.
This post was edited on 4/28/16 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:34 am to roguetiger15
He should probably just be thankful that the company is paying him his full hourly rate for the travel time.
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The Fair Labor Standards Act generally requires employers to pay nonexempt employees for time spent in work-related travel. However, the regulations do not require that an employee be paid at his or her normal hourly rate for time spent in travel because this activity does not require the use of the skills and abilities of the job for which the employee was hired. Therefore, it is permissible for an employer to pay an employee for time spent in travel at a lower hourly rate than the employee’s normal rate.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:34 am to roguetiger15
I mean, if you don't keep him happy he'll be expecting a payraise soon for the new skills he's acquired and new equipment he's expected to work on, so I would just head it off and pay him time and a half for the week
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:35 am to ManBearTiger
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I mean, if you don't keep him happy he'll be expecting a payraise soon for the new skills he's acquired and new equipment he's expected to work on, so I would just head it off and pay him time and a half for the week
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:35 am to GRTiger
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For what? The flight? Is it work to sleep in a hotel?
I am not arguing the laws, as I don't know them, I just know what I get as a salaried employee that travels a lot.
He would only get overtime if his compensable travel plus his training time exceeded forty hours in one workweek.
Example: Employee is normally 8 to 5, M to F.
He drives up Sunday and all driving time is between 8 and 5. All of that time is compensable time. He has to be paid for it. Travel time before 8 and after 5 does not have to be compensated.
During training, all time spent would be compensable except for bona fide meal breaks unless is is outside regular working hours, voluntary, unrelated to work AND the employee isn't actually working during the training session. From what the OP said, this exception would not apply.
So, if on Monday he spends 11 hours training, it is all compensable.
Sleep is not work time. Flight time is not except for flight time during his normal working hours.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:36 am to DingLeeBerry
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He should probably just be thankful that the company is paying him his full hourly rate for the travel time.
I have never seen any employer have a different travel rate, and they would have to have the policy in place before hand.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:38 am to LNCHBOX
I've been in this exact situation this year and now that I bring more to the table my company has invested in me with higher pay to match my additional skills. Not sure what's so funny guy.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:38 am to chinhoyang
All I am point out is that they could, if people wanted to create a big stink over it.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:38 am to roguetiger15
Will he be training for more than 8 hours each day? He should get paid for the time he is training and either expenses or per diem.
They should pay for all of his meals, lodging and transportation costs. If he is booking his own flights and paying for it out of his pocket (only to be compensated later) then he should also get any rewards points associated with the travel.
If he is demanding to be paid for 12 hours when he is only working 8, then he is being completely unreasonable.
His job is currently requiring travel. That's just the way it is. If he doesn't like it, I'm sure there are other jobs out there that won't require any travel.
They should pay for all of his meals, lodging and transportation costs. If he is booking his own flights and paying for it out of his pocket (only to be compensated later) then he should also get any rewards points associated with the travel.
If he is demanding to be paid for 12 hours when he is only working 8, then he is being completely unreasonable.
His job is currently requiring travel. That's just the way it is. If he doesn't like it, I'm sure there are other jobs out there that won't require any travel.
Posted on 4/28/16 at 9:39 am to roguetiger15
He sounds like he's being a bitch about it. From my past experience this kind of shite is way better than actually working.
You get paid for an 8 hour day but most of the time the training doesn't last 8 hours. By the time your 8 hours runs out you could be 4 beers in at the local bar. Plus you're not having to deal with a boss or dumbass coworkers... and you're learning more about your craft which makes you a more desirable employee.
Dude needs to stop his fricking crying and enjoy his mini-vacation.
You get paid for an 8 hour day but most of the time the training doesn't last 8 hours. By the time your 8 hours runs out you could be 4 beers in at the local bar. Plus you're not having to deal with a boss or dumbass coworkers... and you're learning more about your craft which makes you a more desirable employee.
Dude needs to stop his fricking crying and enjoy his mini-vacation.
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