re: How honest is military recruiting?

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I bet some of them got screwed over by the 8412 mafia though

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More than likely some did. I only met half of the command and recruiters often. Our area RS was divided into two sectors. All of our training was done 50/50, we were southern sector so we didn't really have the command in our arse - physically.

I think most common is fraud, lying, drugs, DUI, dipping in the dep/misconduct.

On recruiting there are no rules, told this by my SNCOIC. Plenty of ways to get in trouble though.

RIs are assholes, but ours weren't too bad. Our SgtMaj were worse tbh. They are worthless on Recruiting though.

It really depends on the command climate and the individual recruiter(s).

When my First Sergeant (now Command Sergeant Major for 6th Recruiting Brigade) was a detailed recruiter, the first thing he would show an applicant is the "Early Bird" and focus on any casualty that took place in OIF or OEF.

His pitch was, "I'm showing you this to show you the harsh reality of what could happen. What we will do is train and condition you so that if you're put in this type of situation, your chances of making it out alive are much higher. Are you still interested?" His hit rate was nearly 88%.

When he and I were a Command Team, we would go into our target high schools along with the Station Commander for that area and the detailed recruiter for that particular school. We would meet with the senior administrators and I would tell them, in no uncertain terms, that "if you see anyone in this high school wearing this uniform that's not one of us...and they aren't a parent of one of your students, call me immediately".

Now GUIDANCE COUNSELORS at MEPS are notorious for changing your contract at the last minute.

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Tell me it's not for what I'm guessing they get in trouble for

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Many reasons.

The top three would probably be as follows:

1. Misuse of the Government Travel Card

2. Failure to meet standards (failed PT Test, failed H/W, etc.)

3. Inappropriate conduct

Fun side fact for this thread, my username is because of my recruiting. Like I said, I was pretty good processing kids, never had anything come up in "the moment of truth" at MEPS. I prepped my kids good and they were solid. But yeah that's why I made my username from

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Pre-conviction, as in "Join the Army or go to jail"? Because AR 601-210 states that "any applicant who, as a condition for any civil conviction or adverse disposition or any other reason through a civil or criminal court, is ordered or subjected to a sentence that implies or imposes enlistment into the Armed Forces of the United States is not eligible for enlistment

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I'll give you a tale of two applicants.

Applicant 1: Was abused as a child. At the age of 14, he lashed out and burned his room. No one was hurt, but other relatives took him away from the abusive situation.

Applicant 2: Caught an individual assaulting his girlfriend and beat the shite out of him. Turns out the "victim" was the son of a local Alderman (Chicago Area) who used his connections to make the individual's life a living hell. After serving 6 months, the appeal overturned the conviction but it still appeared on the record.

Both were approved USAREC Moral Waivers as enlistments in my Company.

Applicant 1 ended up arrested for attempting to rob a Target while in the DEP program.

Applicant 2 reenlisted after his initial term and I think he's still in as a Staff Sergeant.

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I'll give you a tale of two applicants.

Applicant 1: Was abused as a child. At the age of 14, he lashed out and burned his room. No one was hurt, but other relatives took him away from the abusive situation.

Applicant 2: Caught an individual assaulting his girlfriend and beat the shite out of him. Turns out the "victim" was the son of a local Alderman (Chicago Area) who used his connections to make the individual's life a living hell. After serving 6 months, the appeal overturned the conviction but it still appeared on the record.

Both were approved USAREC Moral Waivers as enlistments in my Company.

Applicant 1 ended up arrested for attempting to rob a Target while in the DEP program.

Applicant 2 reenlisted after his initial term and I think he's still in as a Staff Sergeant.

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Again, unless I'm missing something, neither one of those examples fit the "judge telling the defendant to join the army or go to jail" legend. One was a minor and you didn't even mention what/if he was charged with.

The other had already been through the process and successfully appealed his conviction.

Neither of those fit the definition of "Join the Army or go to jail".

I thought I made it clear that "join the Army or go to jail" was a false statement.

Johnny sorry you got your arse beat by the lady but I laughed my arse off reading that. I went to Navy Nuke school I made it half way through then got dropped. It was a good thing I only had to do 4 years instead of 6 years. Finished my enlistment as an electricians mate and after that got my engineering degree in college. I don't remember ever getting screwed over by my recruiter.

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Doesn't happen at all anymore. I mean, a judge could tell them that but it's against regs for the services to accept them. How long ago are we talking? Like Vietnam era?

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Longer than one year, less than five?

I doubt it was a true quid pro quo. I imagine the recruiter told the guy he couldn’t sign up with pending felonies. Defense attorney leveraged future service as mitigation in order to get the state to dismiss the charges.

As a technical matter, the judge wasn’t actually involved.

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How honest is military recruiting?

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My recruiter was upfront and honest.

Our first meeting, I told him i was thinking about being a rescue swimmer

Took the ASVAB and scored 93. Recruiter spoke to me about their nuclear power training schools. Gave me the options for both. I ultimately chose Nuke school

Recruiter walked me through in painstaking detail what bootcamp, A-School and nuke power school would be like.

He also gave me a great piece of advise about when i get to the fleet.

"Keep your head down, learn and qualify for jobs as quickly as possible, and don't make your chief look bad"

I have ZERO complaints regarding my recruiter