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re: How do you feel about spanking children?
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:05 am to inadaze
Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:05 am to inadaze
What works for one kid may not work for a other
Like I said yesterday people who are 100% against "spanking" are just as wrong as people who only use spanking for discipline. It's up to the parent to figure out what works for the kid
Like I said yesterday people who are 100% against "spanking" are just as wrong as people who only use spanking for discipline. It's up to the parent to figure out what works for the kid
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Posted on 1/25/14 at 2:47 am to jg8623
Notice in this thread, many of the people who are in favor of spanking have trouble explaining themselves. I see that as the crux of the issue. In most cases, I think it's a matter of inadequate verbal communication skills, and unwillingness/inability to engage in sufficient, effective dialogue. That will result in fundamental problems in the child-parent relationship. Either that, or a desire to cling to an idea of a traditional form of discipline, which is probably tied in with a desire to cling to an idea of a traditional way of life, which is what I think WDE24 was getting at earlier when he was talking about worldviews. It seems as though many view this as a right vs. left/conservative vs. liberal issue. And I'm guessing WDE24, and most of the pro-spanking/quick-to-insult posters are religious conservatives.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 6:24 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 4:35 am to jg8623
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Like I said yesterday people who are 100% against "spanking" are just as wrong as people who only use spanking for discipline. It's up to the parent to figure out what works for the kid
You want to apply a relativistic scale to this, but I'm not sure it's necessary.
Do you apply a relativistic scale to determine which adults you should hit? If I invite you over to my house, I've got an absolute rule - don't put your hands on me, even if you do think I'm being unreasonable.
Or does this only apply to small children that you can physically dominate? And are kids afforded a relativistic scale to determine which of their friends they should hit?
The above questions don't apply to retaliative physicality. That's a different deal.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 5:53 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:01 am to inadaze
quote:No, the issue in this thread is that you are unwilling to accept the fact that not everybody is going to agree with you. And if they don't, you get all pissy and juvenile about it calling names and incinuating people are less intelligent than you, etc. When it comes to that, grow up.
many of the people who are in favor of spanking have trouble explaining themselves
That's why I bailed out this thread last night.
Another thing to consider, and I'm so glad you admitted it, is that you are coming from an overly biased angle. You were abused as a child. So when it comes to spanking of any kind, you are obviously hyper-sensitive about it and therefore nobody should listen to what you have to say about this topic. You are shell shocked because of what happened to you.
Again, I'm sorry you were in that situation.
But you need to realize that just because your personal experience involved parents going way over the line in terms of spanking and/or beating - that doesn't mean that every other person out there who is spanking their kids is doing the same thing with the same intensity. In your scarred eyes, it isn't different. Again, which means people probably shouldn't listen to what you have to say about it because you're way too caught up in the middle of the bias to have a somewhat objective opinion about it.
I have explained myself, as have others - if you would care to even read the history of what has been contributed about the subject in this thread. But the problem is, you were too busy thinking of a witty comeback rather than to read and let it absorb into your head the angle others are coming from.
quote:Case in point. Way to make a generalization.
And I'm guessing WDE24, and most of the pro-spanking/quick-to-insult posters are religious conservatives.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:12 am to RealityTiger
If you beat the crap out of a kid because you are pissed of and are expressing your anger, I think it is wrong. If the discipline has structure and the child understands that the spanking is the result of their actions it is acceptable. I have spanked my children but there are other means of punishment I use first.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:18 am to RealityTiger
Well said, RT.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:48 am to RealityTiger
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No, the issue in this thread is that you are unwilling to accept the fact that not everybody is going to agree with you.
No. I can accept that. Does arguing the issue = Not accepting that people disagree, in your mind?
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And if they don't, you get all pissy and juvenile about it calling names and incinuating people are less intelligent than you, etc. When it comes to that, grow up.
I don't think I called anyone any names. I think I referred to your posts as idiotic a couple of times. I apologize if you were insulted by that, but I felt it was appropriate based on what you said, especially the bit about my father.
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Another thing to consider, and I'm so glad you admitted it, is that you are coming from an overly biased angle. You were abused as a child. So when it comes to spanking of any kind, you are obviously hyper-sensitive about it and therefore nobody should listen to what you have to say about this topic. You are shell shocked because of what happened to you.
This is simply incorrect. I did not admit to an overly-biased angle. I'll accept the same amount of bias that you also give to yourself based on your experience. And I really am not shell-shocked. I'm sure my experience still affects me in certain ways that I don't even notice, but I've resolved these issues with my father, and I rarely ever think about it anymore.
I said more than once that I would like to hear a good argument for spanking, but I never did.
If you don't want to listen to me, that's fine, but I think I was being reasonable throughout the thread. I may not have always worded things well, but I think the gist is there.
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But you need to realize that just because your personal experience involved parents going way over the line in terms of spanking and/or beating - that doesn't mean that every other person out there who is spanking their kids is doing the same thing with the same intensity. In your scarred eyes, it isn't different. Again, which means people probably shouldn't listen to what you have to say about it because you're way too caught up in the middle of the bias to have a somewhat objective opinion about it.
This is the exact reason that I am generally reticent to talk about personal experience during arguments/debates. People will often find a way to try to invalidate the argument based on personal information. It's a logical fallacy. If you read my OP, I think you can see that I am analyzing my own experience logically. Sure, I am biased to a certain extent, as is everyone, but my position is not driven by resentment. I am telling you the truth when I say I have resolved anger issues about this.
If you read my posts in the thread, you should already know that I UNDERSTAND that many people who spank their kids don't go overboard into intense abuse.
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I have explained myself, as have others - if you would care to even read the history of what has been contributed about the subject in this thread. But the problem is, you were too busy thinking of a witty comeback rather than to read and let it absorb into your head the angle others are coming from.
Do you realize that I started this thread?
I have stated MULTIPLE TIMES, I would like to hear a good argument for spanking. I have not seen one expressed in this thread.
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Case in point. Way to make a generalization.
No. That was a guess. And I'm probably right.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:11 am to inadaze
quote:Not at all. There are people I have "argued" with on this board that make damn good points, have proven my point wrong, and some have even changed my mind quite a few times on an opinion about a subject.
Does arguing the issue = Not accepting that people disagree, in your mind?
With you, it's like arguing with a brick wall.
quote:I didn't say you did. I said you admitted to being abused at a young age. Which means, you are way too biased about the subject of spanking for anybody to pay attention to what you have to say about it.
I did not admit to an overly-biased angle.
quote:And you never will, because you aren't willing to hear a differing opinion. I'll save you some time on that.
I said more than once that I would like to hear a good argument for spanking, but I never did.
This whole thread (as it usually is) was just a passive troll. Shame on me for getting engaged in it.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:25 am to inadaze
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, I would like to hear a good argument for spanking. I have not seen one expressed in this thread.
The majority of this thread (save you and a couple others) has been posts by actual parents who have stated their position on disiplining their children. And most are of the opinion that spanking (while certainly not the only method) is a very effective method of teaching a child right from wrong. You have just ignored it. You are either bored and trolling, terrible at reading comprehension, or have some deep seeded issues lingering from your own childhood. Or maybe a combination of the 3. Hope you get it all resolved.
This post was edited on 1/25/14 at 8:34 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:28 am to RealityTiger
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I didn't say you did.
Yes, you did:
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Another thing to consider, and I'm so glad you admitted it, is that you are coming from an overly biased angle.
This is incorrect, and I do not accept it. I will only accept the same amount of bias that you give to yourself. You are being unreasonable if you disagree to that.
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And you never will, because you aren't willing to hear a differing opinion. I'll save you some time on that.
Incorrect.
I'm even willing to concede a good argument on a point I disagree with. There hasn't been one made in this thread.
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This whole thread (as it usually is) was just a passive troll. Shame on me for getting engaged in it.
I'm not trolling. You're really off the mark with what you're saying, just as you were last night.
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 5:25 am
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:41 am to LSUballs
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The majority of this thread (save you and a couple others) has been posts by actual parents who have stated their position on disiplining their children. And most are of the opinion that spanking (while certainly not the only method) is a very effective method of teaching a child right from wrong. You have just ignored it. You are either bored and trolling, terrible at reading comprehension , or have some deep seeded issues lingering from your on childhood. Or maybe a combination of the 3. Hope you get it all resolved.
Wrong.
There have been some reasonable posts from pro-spanking people who talk about a rare, mild for of spanking, but I haven't seen a good argument for why it is a necessity. No one has even addressed the idea of examining the root cause of the problem to fix the behavioral issues, and I've mentioned that multiple times. None of the pro-spanking people have addressed any of the links I've provided. It's the pro-spanking people who are ignoring the substance of what I'm saying.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:44 am to inadaze
How in the world am I biased? Another poster said it right-you are so intent on being right, that you contradict yourself. Way to pick just a small section of what I wrote to misrepresent the idea.
You are as willing to accept the idea that spanking children is acceptable and effective as I am the pope.
I'm officially done with this thread. Go ahead and get your last word in, I know your dick is hard to do it.
You are as willing to accept the idea that spanking children is acceptable and effective as I am the pope.
I'm officially done with this thread. Go ahead and get your last word in, I know your dick is hard to do it.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:50 am to inadaze
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It's the pro-spanking people who are ignoring the substance of what I'm saying.
I don't think it's so much ignoring the substance of what you're saying as failing to see said substance. All I see is the wayward ramblings of a confused, off based kid who has never even experienced the activity in which he is lecturing others on. Here's a thought, have a kid. Raise him/her as you see fit. Good luck.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:58 am to RealityTiger
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How in the world am I biased?
How are you NOT biased? Everyone is. How convenient of you to just decide that I'm biased and you're not. Do you not realize how absurd that sounds?
How about we both agree that we are each biased based on our own experience?
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that you contradict yourself
How did I contradict myself?
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Way to pick just a small section of what I wrote to misrepresent the idea.
C'mon man, this is ridiculous. I didn't misrepresent anything. You said that I admitted to an overly-biased angle. I DID NOT! Just admit you were wrong about that, and move past it.
Your posts display wretched idiocy.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:01 am to LSUballs
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in which he is lecturing others on.
I am not lecturing. I've given my opinion, and I've asked a lot of questions, but I'm not lecturing anyone.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:57 am to inadaze
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I haven't seen a good argument for why it is a necessity
I haven't seen a good argument that mild spanking is harmful
I haven's seen a good argument why it is necessary not to spank your kids
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No one has even addressed the idea of examining the root cause of the problem to fix the behavioral issues
I told you: until a certain age, they do not have the mental capacity to reason or understand your words.
To combine that with another great example that a poster gave (though apparently not good enough to suffice your criteria), the toddler reaching for a hot stove or boiling pot.
You explain to them not to do it, but they keep doing it because that's what fricking toddlers do. So you give them a little pop on the behind to scare them out of potentially seriously hurting themselves.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:00 am to CrimsonTideMD
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None of the pro-spanking people have addressed any of the links I've provided. It's the pro-spanking people who are ignoring the substance of what I'm saying.
The last 2 links I saw, one on marriage and one on a pro football team, describe relationships between adults. That you think this is applicable to a parent-child relationship speaks to your naiveté.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:08 am to inadaze
quote:This is where your lack of experience with young children makes you unable to understand the topic you are so strongly expressing opinions about.
I think it's a matter of inadequate verbal communication skills, and unwillingness/inability to engage in sufficient, effective dialogue.
quote:Where have I been quick to insult anyone in this thread?
And I'm guessing WDE24, and most of the pro-spanking/quick-to-insult posters are religious conservatives.
Also, my comment about world views had nothing to do with liberalism or religion.
Lastly, you have been provided with many reasons why spanking can be good parenting, you simply aren't open to agreeing with any. Your mind was made up when the thread was started despite having zero experience effectively communicating with an irrational toddler in your lifetime.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:11 am to CrimsonTideMD
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The last 2 links I saw, one on marriage and one on a pro football team, describe relationships between adults. That you think this is applicable to a parent-child relationship speaks to your naiveté.
Oh FRICK! Can you read??
The link on marriage was about animal conditioning tactics used on humans. It was a direct response to the guy that compared kids to dogs!!
The second link on Pete Carroll's coaching philosophy was in response to WDE24's comparison with a coach-player relationship!!
This thread has just devolved into confusion/reading comprehension errors and false accusations.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 10:15 am to WDE24
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Where have I been quick to insult anyone in this thread?
I didn't mean you.
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Also, my comment about world views had nothing to do with liberalism or religion.
Serious question - Would you call yourself a religious conservative?
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Lastly, you have been provided with many reasons why spanking can be good parenting, you simply aren't open to agreeing with any. Your mind was made up when the thread was started despite having zero experience effectively communicating with an irrational toddler in your lifetime.
That's absolutely false, and I've already explained why.
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