re: How do Creationists reconcile discoveries that date back hundreds of millions of years

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Can you give me an example of a change of kind?

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Are you talking about speciation? That's a complex process of which you are probably only concerned with the last stage. For that stage, one major example is the East African Great Lakes Cichlid, through coloration differences and pharyngeal jaw morphology.

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Are you saying evolution started first with land animals?

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no

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Still waiting on your omnipresent god to show himself.

Why won’t he come down and smite me? Oh…. Wait…. Because he doesn’t exist.

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I've put the challenge forth my whole adult life, if the bible thumpers want to prove their silly sky man exists, get him to cure some amputees.

Let me see god regenerate someone's blown off legs or arms, take away any possible alternative explanation.

I'll convert on the spot.

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Says the guy who just quoted Paul, not Christ.

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He’s an apostle of Christ, and if you understand what an apostle is, you understand the authority of which he speaks is not of his own but from God and the Word of God, who is Christ Himself. Paul is not speaking on his own, but in support of God as creator of everything we see before us, as did every other Old Testament author who came before him. Do you think that Christ, the word of God Himself, who’m without Him was not anything made that was made, would be in disagreement with the words Paul penned? Hardly. Paul simply affirmed what everyone who believes in God has affirmed from cover to cover within scripture.

You are simply trying to discredit Paul to do away with the truth of what he said, and that’s your choice, but it doesn’t make it valid in any spiritual sense, not does it actually discredit it.


Furthermore, Christ spoke to believers in God, not people questioning His existence or non existent evolutionists, but believers, which is why He didn’t address the actual existence of God as Paul did with the Greeks.

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Time doesn’t explain it all. There hasn’t been and won’t be shown enough time in earths history for humans to have formed on their own through evolution alone. Look at my original post. The math and science are not on pure evolution’s side.

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I’m sorry, but I don’t buy into the “well god must’ve done it” theory either if the math says it’s almost impossible. The math and science certainly aren’t on the side that says that god, heaven, and his creating earth are possible but plenty of folks believe that as well.

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Only within a species but evolution cannot explain the creation of a new species hence Darwin's title is a complete lie--- On the Origin of Species

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Yeah it can. Speciation is a complex topic and some have proposed a four-step model. Generally, the wider the radiation of a species, the more likely it is to encounter environmental or geographic barriers, which can drive speciation rates. I already gave one example. But I suspect that you are convinced of your position without actually studying the evidence, so I don't think I will be able to convince you.

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So any somewhat reasonable position makes further discussion of the topic retarded? Lewis would not approve of that.

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It makes the discussion retarded when the very issue and root of the discussion is completely ignored by 90% of the people discussing it

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Give me one example then. Please.

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Peppered Moths in England were cream colored with occasional small dark spots... until the Industrial Revolution in the 19th Century. Soot began coating all of the trees and the moths began to be born dark, which allowed them to blend in with the trees and avoid predator birds. Once environmental restrictions were put in place and soot was gone, the moth population lost its dark coloring and returned to cream.

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Give me one example then. Please.

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The syrinx of passerine birds facilitated reproductive isolation which allowed for greater range of vocalizations, which drove the amazing diversity of this clade. Another example of the case of African antelopes, such as the relative diversity of Alcelaphinae versus the more specialized Aepycerotinae, which is based on a model of resource use or limitation in response to environmental disruptions. Those disruptions increased the resource specialization of the former species, which drove the differentiation of horn morphologies, which drove reproductive isolation.