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re: House across from Walk On's in Zachary

Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:32 am to
Posted by SaintEB
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:32 am to
I think I would just stand there in my tighty whiteys all afternoon and drink beer and water my lawn. Wave at all the passer-bys. Get some "King of the Hill" buds to do the same. Get a tractor and just travel the circle, round and round, all afternoon as traffic backs up.
Posted by Piebald Panther
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:32 am to
It is a benefited the public because it 4-laned and upgraded 64 into and from Zachary.

If you look at it on a map it doesn't encroach on the property. The outer edge of the of of the round about pretty much follows the original path of the highway. The only thing he lost was the turn-in into his drive way.

He thought that they had to have his property and negotiated his way out of a deal because of that.

Developers have the ability to offer above market in certain instances, but they have limits.

Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:35 am to
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live a minute from there. Developers have been trying to get this person to sell for some time and he refuses.

Some homeowners are really stupid. Everything is for sale. What a great position to be in - to have a developer needing to buy your home. Name your price! Get yourself a brand new home - all cash.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:36 am to
Wouldn't the circle have made a lot more sense further east? Where Barsket road now ties in?

They wouldn't have had to take any land or reroute Barsket. Chapel Hill road would have been the main entrance to Americana instead of building two entrances.

Shifting the circle east just 30' would seem to allow an entrance onto the circle for his driveway.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 9:40 am
Posted by frequent flyer
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:37 am to
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It is a benefited the public because it 4-laned and upgraded 64 into and from Zachary.

If you look at it on a map it doesn't encroach on the property. The outer edge of the of of the round about pretty much follows the original path of the highway. The only thing he lost was the turn-in into his drive way.

He thought that they had to have his property and negotiated his way out of a deal because of that.

Developers have the ability to offer above market in certain instances, but they have limits.


He will eventually move away or pass on. Then the house gets leveled.

That’s always a risk if you build along a rural highway without many restrictions in a suburban area. . Developers can come in later and surround you. That happens all the time.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 9:40 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96254 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:44 am to
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That’s always a risk if you build along a rural highway without many restrictions in a suburban area. . Developers can come in later and surround you. That happens all the time.


Ask people on Jefferson Highway in BR between Drusilla and Airline about that.


40 years ago that was a sleepy little area with a 2 lane highway running through it.

These days, it is about a 5-6 lane highway which goes flush against people’s front doors after their yards had been EDed for the widening.
Posted by frequent flyer
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:53 am to
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These days, it is about a 5-6 lane highway which goes flush against people’s front doors after their yards had been EDed for the widening.


That happens when there is poor planning and no funding to expand road networks until after the development happens. Jefferson was always an artery. The parish didn’t care what was built on that stretch until it was way too late.

Ascension Parish and Livingston Parish are going to go through this hell over the next 30 years. They didn’t plan ahead. They didn’t make obvious restrictions and logical setback requirements for their arterial roads. In some cases they still have narrow roads with open ditches and no turn lanes serving as a major artery. There is no way to widen those streets without taking out the homes on one or both sides. So it costs a fortune to do the work because it requires a lot of painful expropriation and moving utilities around.

By La standards - Zachary and Central are probably above average when it comes to planning. And it is still a disaster. Ascension is even worse than EBR when it comes to land use. Livingston is even worse still. And they are militant against taxing themselves to fix those issues….not to mention that they don’t seem to care what developments throw together. It’s a recipe for disaster.

West Baton Rouge is trying but they are still about 30 years too late. They are lucky that they still have a lot of open space and their residential development has been mostly throttled by highway infrastructure issues in Baton Rouge (the bridges in particular).

West Feliciana and Pointe Coupee’s answer to their numerous past mistakes is to simply regulate and restrict development so much that it almost doesn’t happen at all. So they pretty much never have to widen roads. Almost nothing new is built in the southern part of those parishes anymore that’s less than $500k because it costs so much to actually develop anything there the past 5-6 years. It’s rare to see new subdivisions at all anymore in that area.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 10:03 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96254 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:57 am to
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Ascension is even worse than EBR when it comes to land use.


Which I noticed when I had to go to an event out in Prarieville several months ago.


Livingston has always been a shite show but it is mutating forms.

The attempt to drop a gigantic subdivision off a highway with no real interstate access other than from Range, which is a perpetual clusterfrick, seemed like Livingston today in a nutshell.

As opposed to Livingston 30+ years ago with rebel flags and a complete inability to get fire insurance.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96254 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:00 am to
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By La standards - Zachary and Central are probably above average when it comes to planning. And it is still a disaster


Zachary has issues but I think a number will be exacerbated by large developments proposed or being built on 964 by the prison and on Rollins Road near Rollins Place Elementary.


Rollins is a 2 lane highway about to get another mega subdivision while 964 is about 2.5 lanes and nowhere near anything but the prison and a motel that wouldn’t look out of place in a horror movie.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:07 am to
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Zachary has issues but I think a number will be exacerbated by large developments proposed or being built on 964 by the prison and on Rollins Road near Rollins Place Elementary.


Rollins is a 2 lane highway about to get another mega subdivision while 964 is about 2.5 lanes and nowhere near anything but the prison and a motel that wouldn’t look out of place in a horror movie.



I remember getting pissed when they put up a light at Newell x 64. Then Rollins x Old Baker x 64. I still inadvertently run the Newell x 64 light when turning left to go back into town. I got so used turning out of there without a light growing up.

These days one of my favorite pastimes is reading the Rants and Raves where people continuously bitch about there being nothing for kids to do, the need for more restaurants and, ironically, the need to stop building houses. The best part is that not a single one of those souls lived here 10 years ago. I would also put the chances of one of these people living in a Horton house above 80%. I want to offer a solution: move back to where you came from.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 10:09 am
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18338 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:08 am to
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By La standards - Zachary and Central are probably above average when it comes to planning. And it is still a disaster. Ascension is even worse than EBR when it comes to land use. Livingston is even worse still.


Central is in a better place with Planning and zoning mainly because they saw the mistakes Zachary made and were able to get in front of it. Zachary didn’t have a master plan/UDC when the school system went independent. Central School came 2-3 years after Zachary.

Those issues have been for the most part resolved but in some respects it’s too late. Also Zachary has the unique issue of having the school district in unincorporated areas outside the Zachary city limits. This is where most developments are being done now. There is a push for annexation of many of these areas by the new mayor but again it’s too late.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 10:09 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96254 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:15 am to
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Also Zachary has the unique issue of having the school district in unincorporated areas outside the Zachary city limits. This is where most developments are being done now. There is a push for annexation of many of these areas by the new mayor but again it’s too late.


Central has some of these same issues.

A few new developments are going up outside city limits which claim they will be in the Central school district.

Central’s response -


Posted by frequent flyer
USA
Member since Jul 2021
2994 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:15 am to
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Zachary has issues but I think a number will be exacerbated by large developments proposed or being built on 964 by the prison and on Rollins Road near Rollins Place Elementary.



A wide variety of subdivisions across almost all price points are approved in Zachary now. They will see 3,000 new rooftops in the next decade. The lower end production stuff will generally be to the south, the nicer stuff to the north. 964 will eventually have to be widened at least south of 64, but luckily they have the space to do it. The subdivisions you mentioned on 964 south of Copper Mill have been very controversial because of their size and scale.

Oddly enough Americana by Walk On’s is higher end for Zachary, but it’s on the crappy side of town because of the flood issues. Because that’s the primary route to US 61, they are going to see more commercial development there. Gerry Lane is opening a huge dealer in that area soon. Supposedly a new grocery is coming up near Walk On’s as well. Notice all of the new stuff is built up to a higher elevation than the older format development around there.

Within Zachary - Rollins is still an Ole rural two lane road but the setbacks are mostly appropriate. They will eventually have to convert to a 3 lane street with a center turn lane. Shouldn’t be a huge problem unless there is explosive growth out there. There would be some push back against widening it beyond that. They should do this now because most of the areas where they would have issues only have development on one side of the street. It gets more dirty if it’s on both sides - like Staring or Lee in Baton Rouge.

Port Hudson-Pride is going to eventually be a pain point. Luckily it’s mostly smaller, higher end developments out there so less potential for traffic issues short term. They tend to naturally have larger lots and greater setbacks. But likely also means more local resistance to future road improvements. Hopefully it won’t need that for a very long time.

Then there is the school problem. They’ve got a decent school district and not much in the way of private alternatives. Zachary likes to have one school for each age group, so they will have to expand those or divide them up into a new school somewhere or risk overcrowding. That’s going to be expensive.

Zachary should route the west bound lanes on 64 to Church Street, then add in street parking. That would really help their little downtown. Denham did something similar about 15 years ago.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 10:23 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96254 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:21 am to
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Zachary likes to have one school for each age group, so they will have to expand those or divide them up into a new school somewhere or risk overcrowding. That’s going to be expensive.


I think part of the idea is that each grade being in its own school or combined with one other grade is that it saves hassle on bussing / carpool as well as headaches from zoning people into feeders.

That clearly won’t hold at a point because certain schools are bursting at the seams and they are having staffing problems as well.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96254 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:23 am to
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Oddly enough Americana by Walk On’s is higher end for Zachary, but it’s on the crappy side of town because of the flood issues.


?

My understanding is that, in general, the eastern part of Zachary was what got completely fricked in the 2016 floods.

There are exceptions further out that way like a couple houses which are on high land and are swampy as hell when it rains heavily but I don’t remember there being water issues in Americana.
Posted by frequent flyer
USA
Member since Jul 2021
2994 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:27 am to
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I think part of the idea is that each grade being in its own school or combined with one other grade is that it saves hassle on bussing / carpool as well as headaches from zoning people into feeders.

That clearly won’t hold at a point because certain schools are bursting at the seams and they are having staffing problems as well.


Also to avoid deseg lawsuits. Remember Zachary started it’s explosive growth when EBR was still under a consent decree. They laid out their long term school plans in that environment. So far its served them well.

Every district is having staffing issues unfortunately. Teachers and nurses are both big hassles now around resource management. I am sure additional pay would help alleviate that in the short and medium term. Long term these areas need to better manage growth.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25389 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:30 am to
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Those issues have been for the most part resolved but in some respects it’s too late. Also Zachary has the unique issue of having the school district in unincorporated areas outside the Zachary city limits. This is where most developments are being done now. There is a push for annexation of many of these areas by the new mayor but again it’s too late


IMO they should annex everything that's in their school district boundaries.

Probably 1/4th of all developments approved in the Zachary school district are outside of their city limits. They have passive control over those areas at best.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96254 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:32 am to
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They have passive control over those areas at best.


Chauna Banks can go frick herself BTW…

She pushed hard to zone those subdivisions and put them in the Zachary SD, then got upset when someone pointed out that they are actually much closer to Baker than Zachary and asked why they can’t be zoned there?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25389 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:36 am to
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Oddly enough Americana by Walk On’s is higher end for Zachary, but it’s on the crappy side of town because of the flood issues


I think that area between Walk On's and US-61 is mostly swamp. There are at least 2-3 newer houses along 64 in that stretch that look like they are built on little manmade hills. Their finished floor elevation has to be 3-4 feet higher than the natural elevation of the landscape.

Looks like the entire new commercial development at the corner of US 61 and US 64 is also being elevated by at least a foot or two. Makes you wonder how this will impact drainage in the future.

At least Zachary will benefit from that moat they are building between them and Baker. That should keep the Comite river from flooding if they ever finish it.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25389 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:37 am to
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much closer to Baker than Zachary and asked why they can’t be zoned there?


I'm sure the developer wouldn't have bothered if that land was zoned for Baker schools.

Horton is starting to get a lot of heat in Louisiana. Not sure if all of their plans in Zachary will actually happen.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 10:39 am
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