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Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:10 am to crazy4lsu
#BothamSean which is actually Botham Jean, was shot and killed in his own apartment by a dumbass cop who got off on the wrong floor and thought it was her place.
Horrible and he didn't deserve to die, but it doesn't fit in that narrative. It was idiocy and incompetence, not racial bias.
Horrible and he didn't deserve to die, but it doesn't fit in that narrative. It was idiocy and incompetence, not racial bias.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:10 am to crazy4lsu
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Do you realize your list also includes the people who were killed in the Charleston shooting? And situations like Philando Castile? Amadou Diallo was shot 41 times because a plain-clothes officer apparently confused him for a rape suspect from one year earlier.
Maybe those deaths are justified to you for some reason, but they aren't to me.
Did I say all of them were justified?
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And regardless, I don't want the police to be judge, jury and executioner. We have a justice system for a reason.
I must have missed were I advocated ofr such a thing.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:11 am to crazy4lsu
We never said they all are. What we are saying is make bigger deals out of those and not Brown, Sterling, and Martin
Also, why are the Charleston shooting victims on this list of police brutality?
Also, why are the Charleston shooting victims on this list of police brutality?
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 10:12 am
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:12 am to LNCHBOX
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hopefully it doesn't seem as I was saying all were bogus.
Not at all, I'm in full agreement with that post and this:
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It just kills the message when you use obvious lies to try to paint this picture of systemic racism against nothing but innocent people.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:12 am to crazy4lsu
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Obviously in that situation, I want people who have a high school education to make life and death decisions.
Then you go be the cop.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:14 am to TH03
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Horrible and he didn't deserve to die, but it doesn't fit in that narrative. It was idiocy and incompetence, not racial bias.
I'm not hinting at racial bias. The point I'm trying to make is that police shouldn't be judge, jury and executioner. There have been cases where white people have been killed, like that case in Arizona, Daniel Shaver, who was on his fricking hands and knees, and people will still argue about "justification." Again, we have a justice system for a reason. That should be the issue that unites everyone. Instead people get upset at the mere mention of race, and instead of steering the conversation to a frame where basically everyone would agree, which in my view would be general police overreach, they say equally stupid shite like "what death was unjustified" on a list they didn't actually read.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:15 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Black men are being lynched openly in the United States, and white people are riding the wave of not having to care, or worse, turning logical public unrest, including rioting, into a dismissive judgement against people who continue to see nothing change when black (and other) men get lynched openly in the United States. You are not targeted. You are white. You do not wonder if you will survive being pulled over by cops. You are white. I sure don't worry about being shot dead when I get pulled over for speeding. My black friends do. Every single one of them. And that's not paranoia. Our King County Executive was pulled over 8 times without cause during his tenure in Seattle. He finally had to call the chief of police to make a complaint because he lived the story of systemic racism, even in this so-called progressive city. Do I really need to say he's black? No. None of our white Execs have made these complaints.
This country was founded on the annihilation of indigenous people and the launch of industrialized slavery--two of the most dehumanizing and intentional human rights abuses in the history of the modern world. The United States is literally built on as much murder, rape, and torture as it is on the desire to build a better nation. The Boston Tea Party was a riot, complete with looting and burning and killing, and we celebrate that riot as an act of superiority. That mentality lives on in the fabric of this country, and is deeply ingrained in law enforcement throughout the country.
To continue to see the public lynching of black men in particular, and people of color in general, in contrast to the specter of white men with automatic weapons entering public buildings and threatening public officials because they feel fricking oppressed because they can't get coffee or haircuts, or worse, can't go shop someplace because they don't feel like a pandemic is a problem *for them* would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.
You've been willing to be open to a lot of ideas and perspectives with me, and I am really appreciative of that openness in you. So in that spirit, I'd like to ask you to read a book called White Fragility. White Fragility is not a term that should bother anyone if they are truly convinced there is not structural racism actively present in the USA. I'd love to hear what you think.
Posted by a close friend who lives in Seattle.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:15 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Absolutely. The Castile one should have gotten more play. The no knock warrants in the wrong houses resulting in deaths should get more play. But instead wagons are hitched to actual criminals doing shady shite that results in police interaction and in a lot of cases result in death.
Exactly. There are legit cases to latch onto and protest. We can certainly discuss the merits of the argument of it being more/less/the same as instances with other races, but at least present the case with the right evidence. Including Alton Sterling or Mike brown just invalidates the whole argument.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:15 am to LeClerc
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can’t believe the admins are allowing it do go on. Should have been deleted pages ago.
Why should it be deleted? Please give me an articulate argument.
The thread is to call out White people, who don’t GAF about black lives, but are jumping on a virtue signaling bandwagon.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:16 am to LNCHBOX
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Then you go be the cop.
Even if I were a cop, I couldn't fix the issue, because there is a superstructure in place that is self-justifying. Every part of policing plays a part. From civil asset forfeiture, to the militarization of police, to negative interactions citizens have with police. Cops shouldn't be judge, jury and executioner, because it undermines the very notion of justice. Maybe you are alright with that. I'm not.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:16 am to crazy4lsu
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they say equally stupid shite like "what death was unjustified" on a list they didn't actually read.
I don't think it's stupid to be informed about the lies getting passed around in an attempt to paint with a very broad brush.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:17 am to crazy4lsu
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Maybe you are alright with that
You seem to make an awful lot of assumptions out of nowhere.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:18 am to LNCHBOX
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Can't say that I have.
LINK
This guy gets into the weeds on the investigation and found some pretty big discrepancies in the investigation. He's a pretty cheesy white dude but he reveals some very interesting details of the case, most notably a key witness portrayed as Trayvon's girlfriend wasn't even his girlfriend and the prosecution knew it. Apparently his mom may have forged a letter and alleged it was from his girlfriend to use as fuel to feed the media storm. Of course, now she's running for office.
Surprisingly, I kinda felt bad for TM after watching the documentary. Pretty much everyone in his family didn't want anything to do with him (except his ex step mom) until they saw they could make money off of him.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:18 am to LNCHBOX
Because assumptions are the only way these narratives stick on most of these cases
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:18 am to TDcline
At least social media has taken a break from the health care hero schtick.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:19 am to LNCHBOX
I think it's stupid to reply to a list you didn't read, which includes clear instances of people dying because of their race (as in the Charleston 9) or people dying because the cop was a dumbass, in the service of a point that won't convince anyone on the other side. You aren't doing anything to undo the lies, by answering glibly.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:19 am to TDcline
The funny thing is I’m sure these white women are the same ones who lock their cars or go inside their house when a black guy walks by.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:19 am to crazy4lsu
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The point I'm trying to make is that police shouldn't be judge, jury and executioner.
Not sure who here is disagreeing with you on this.
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Again, we have a justice system for a reason. That should be the issue that unites everyone. Instead people get upset at the mere mention of race, and instead of steering the conversation to a frame where basically everyone would agree, which in my view would be general police overreach, they say equally stupid shite like "what death was unjustified" on a list they didn't actually read.
The "mere mention of race" is literally the thing doing the dividing. You can't equally fight injustice if you act like it only happens to one group of people.
Make a new list of legit cases and include people like Daniel shaver, a white guy, and Michael Ramos, a Hispanic guy if you want it to be united.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 10:20 am to crazy4lsu
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I think it's stupid to reply to a list you didn't read
I read enough of it to know it was full of lies.
quote:The people passing around this stuff aren't interested in the truth.
You aren't doing anything to undo the lies, by answering glibly.
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