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re: HHS Whistle-blowers coming forward with undercover video, VAERS covered up.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:42 am to 3nOut
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:42 am to 3nOut
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I'm going completely disregard anything else you have to say because you saying the government is a good guy who has my best interest at heart is the most laughable thing i've seen in this thread.
I think you might have misunderstood the intent of my post.
For a significant portion of the population, the government doesn't have your best interest at heart. They are totally ok with you getting the vaccine and immediately bursting into flames and burning into a pile of ash. They absolutely do not care about the portion of the population that will be harmed by the vaccine.
I think folks in the government and larger population believe this is the greater good. I think that a large portion believe that is the greater good is a fact. I think that some in power are operating under this belief.
I personally think there are nefarious things afoot because otherwise they wouldn't suppress other methods of treating it. I don't think the government has by best interest in mind and I don't think they care that I have the freedom to manage my own affairs.
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:44 am to ell_13
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PV is always about half truths and good editing.
Confusing pv with the fetal tissue sting videos,
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:53 am to eitek1
it wasn't an attack at you personally.
i was moreso just picking on myself because as soon as you say "the government is a shepherd," i'm rolling my eyes at the rest of your post. i had just posted about how you can't just discount somebody's perspective on a thing because they have a single opinion they that's shared by somebody else you vehemently disagree with.
i don't think what you said is entirely wrong, there are plenty of people in government and on both sides of the political aisle that do want the best outcome for everybody. there are some that DGAF that people have adverse reactions to the vaccine as long as people are doing what the government tells them, some that are happy there are adverse reactions to the vaccine, and some that are happy unvaccinated are getting it and dying.
But when you assign a positive word to the government at the beginning, i just have a fog of somebody that thinks the government is my protector when i read the rest of the words.
again, i'm pointing the finger at myself.
i was moreso just picking on myself because as soon as you say "the government is a shepherd," i'm rolling my eyes at the rest of your post. i had just posted about how you can't just discount somebody's perspective on a thing because they have a single opinion they that's shared by somebody else you vehemently disagree with.
i don't think what you said is entirely wrong, there are plenty of people in government and on both sides of the political aisle that do want the best outcome for everybody. there are some that DGAF that people have adverse reactions to the vaccine as long as people are doing what the government tells them, some that are happy there are adverse reactions to the vaccine, and some that are happy unvaccinated are getting it and dying.
But when you assign a positive word to the government at the beginning, i just have a fog of somebody that thinks the government is my protector when i read the rest of the words.
again, i'm pointing the finger at myself.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:54 am to ell_13
No, I am saying that calling out PV and yet not acknowledging the same from all of MSM is pretty disingenuous. This has never been about scientific debate (which I absolutely welcome). It is about establishing and controlling narratives. And the moment he presents a counter-narrative he is immediately vilified.
Makes you wonder...
Makes you wonder...
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:57 am to ell_13
quote:*Chris Rock has entered the chat.
The vaccine works to keep people out of the hospital.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:19 am to Wolfhound45
quote:This thread isnt about the MSM. If it was, I would call them out too.
yet not acknowledging the same from all of MSM is pretty disingenuous.
quote:Thats not what it should be about. And if you’re going to present a counter narrative, you better have more than one person claiming another person is a doctor and that person simply complaining about the vaccine. It’s weak as shite. I’m not lowering my standard for a viewpoint I may support simply because I support it. Do better.
It is about establishing and controlling narratives. And the moment he presents a counter-narrative he is immediately vilified.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:24 am to Wolfhound45
If it makes you feel better, replace “works” with “helps.” It’s a statement backed up by tons of data. No rational person disputes it. Even conservative estimates have shown that the rate of hospitalizations for an unvaccinated person is 13 times more than someone vaccinated. That’s not to say breakthrough cases don’t happen… or that people who got the vaccine don’t get a bad case and even die. It’s simply much less likely, especially for old and/or unhealthy people. That’s a good thing.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:25 am to Strannix
How long will YouTube let that video stay up?
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:42 am to ell_13
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I’m not a leftist. I’m as conservative as can be
They view anyone who is not a member of their antivax/conspiracy theory cult as a leftist.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:43 am to kingbob
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The stats are unreliable because anyone hospitalized within 2 weeks of receiving their second jab is considered unvaccinated. Thus, if the jab puts you in the hospital, you will be counted as an unvaccinated covid patient because the jab will cause you to also test positive for Covid.
Point of clarification on this. The only test that will show you as positive after you get the vaccine is the antibody test. The viral(antigen) tests don't show you as covid positive...because you don't actually have Covid.
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Also, they’re testing everyone hospitalized for any reason for covid. So people there for gunshot wounds, heart problems, or other illnesses who happen to also have covid are counted as hospitalized covid patients.
Not sure why this is a challenge for anyone. They are indeed in the hospital and they do indeed have covid. Are you suggesting that hospitals NOT test people as they come in? We going to start yoloing it with the nurses/doctors/other patients or something? Also, treatments could be vastly different depending on you having the virus. Would you want them to treat the bullet hole in your chest and NOT treat your covid?
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:48 am to Ed Osteen
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So are we trusting government employees if they are “whistle blowers” now? I can’t keep up
I trust people that don't lie for a living, I don't care if they are government employees, in fact, a whistleblower against the government should receive a Citizens Medal of Freedom
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:49 am to kennypowers
I would prefer those people be separated out statistically to give a clearer picture of what is happening. There should be confirmed hospitalized FROM covid, confirmed hospitalized WITH covid, deaths FROM covid, deaths WITH covid, covid SUSPECTED, and have each of these data groups separated by vaccinated, partially vaccinated (between first jab and two-weeks following the second jab, and unvaccinated. The statistics are being compiled in a manner which leads to mistrust and misunderstandings of what is happening.
Allowing the public to know WHY those people are in the hospital is important when deciding on public policy to combat the spread of covid and mitigate its harm to citizens.
Allowing the public to know WHY those people are in the hospital is important when deciding on public policy to combat the spread of covid and mitigate its harm to citizens.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 11:50 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:53 am to kingbob
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deaths FROM covid, deaths WITH covid
Can you define this clinically?
Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:56 am to kingbob
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I would prefer those people be separated out statistically to give a clearer picture of what is happening. There should be confirmed hospitalized FROM covid, confirmed hospitalized WITH covid, deaths FROM covid, deaths WITH covid, covid SUSPECTED, and have each of these data groups separated by vaccinated, partially vaccinated (between first jab and two-weeks following the second jab, and unvaccinated. The statistics are being compiled in a manner which leads to mistrust and misunderstandings of what is happening.
Allowing the public to know WHY those people are in the hospital is important when deciding on public policy to combat the spread of covid and mitigate its harm to citizens
I think part of the problem is that it's too late for that. Even if they did that now(btw - some states actually do parse the data better than others) there is a very large portion of the population that wouldn't be able to critically analyze the data and come to a logical conclusion. Most people are already separated in to their given camps. You're giving the average joe too much credit for their ability to critically think for themselves.
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