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re: Have you ever met someone who wasn't a real doctor demand to be called "Dr".

Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:34 pm to
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yet they probably only have a 6th grade education!


I think it's pretty easy to get a PhD in Theology, and before everyone jumps in, it can also be pretty hard.
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:35 pm to
I am a card-carrying member of the British Library, so absolutely!
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:36 pm to
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I'm pretty sure they awarded MDs in the middle ages though...


up till last century medical school wasn't a req., just a test, same for lawyers, and other professions
Posted by TMDawg
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:40 pm to
Anyone who "demands" people call them doctor outside of the work setting has an ego problem and will typically be a douchebag. And that's regardless of the doctorate degree they hold. I feel bad for people who are that defined by their degree.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:43 pm to
I have two PhD uncles and one aunt and they don't go by "doctor ..."
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:44 pm to
I'm not sure what you mean by "requirement," but it sounds like that's just a feature of the standardization of medicine: LINK
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:45 pm to
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I have two PhD uncles

my favorite uncle on my Dad' side died when I was at LSU, I found out he had a PhD when I read his obituary
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:46 pm to
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Anyone who "demands" people call them doctor outside of the work setting has an ego problem and will typically be a douchebag. And that's regardless of the doctorate degree they hold.


Yes. Also, pro tip: if an author puts "Ph.D." after their name, he or she is almost certainly a hack.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:47 pm to
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if an author puts "Ph.D." after their name, he or she is almost certainly a hack.

agreed

-777Tiger Ph.D
Posted by TMDawg
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:48 pm to
There have been medical degrees dating back way longer than the past century. They just weren't MDs because other countries have different names for them.

There were requirements back in the late 1700s here and med schools started in the late 1700s as well. There were licensure requirements, etc by the mid 1800s. The big change in the last century was more standardization and the internship requirement. But med school was a requirement.
Posted by HarryBalzack
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:51 pm to
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I'm pretty sure they awarded MDs in the middle ages though...

According to Wikipedia (so take it for whatever it's worth), only the Muslim hospitals in and around Baghdad were granting MDs during the middle ages.

You have to remember that our concept of medicine didn't develop until the later middle ages and up through the scientific revolution. Before that, they bled people and put leeches on them to get rid of "bad humors," held women under water to check them for "demons," and sacrificed goats to appease the gods who had made them sick.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:52 pm to
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But med school was a requirement.


I had a great uncle who was born in the late 1800's that was an MD and a mortician(maybe that's what pushed the med school requirement.) He never went to med school but took his states equivalency exam, and was a licensed, practicing medical doctor for years.
Posted by TMDawg
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:56 pm to
The Muslims actually developed a lot of knowledge before that. They approached things from a more scientific perspective than a lot before them.
Posted by HarryBalzack
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:56 pm to
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Yes. Also, pro tip: if an author puts "Ph.D." after their name, he or she is almost certainly a hack.
I really like the douches who sign shite, "Dr. John Smith, Ph.D." Or the ones who write letters to the editor about topics outside their specialty but still find it necessary to include their letters, as if the PhD in geography somehow gives them a more informed, consequential opinion about the potholes on Rt. 3 or the growing number of stray dogs in town.
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:58 pm to
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Posted by HarryBalzack
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:59 pm to
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The Muslims actually developed a lot of knowledge before that. They approached things from a more scientific perspective than a lot before them.
Correct. They also compartmentalized theological and secular studies, so that religious beliefs didn't interfere with the pursuit of knowledge. The Christian West, by contrast, punished people for suggesting that the earth revolves around the sun.

Times have changed in that respect, to say the least.
Posted by TMDawg
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:59 pm to
LINK

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On May 5, 1847, nearly 200 delegates representing 40 medical societies and 28 colleges from 22 states and the District of Columbia met. They resolved themselves into the first session of the American Medical Association (AMA). Nathaniel Chapman (1780-1853) was elected as the first president of the association. The AMA has grown to become an organization that has a great deal of influence over issues related to health care in the United States.
The AMA set educational standards for MDs, including the following:

A liberal education in the arts and sciences
A certificate of completion in an apprenticeship before entering the medical college
An MD degree that covered 3 years of study, including two 6-month lecture sessions, 3 months devoted to dissection, and a minimum of one 6-month session of hospital attendance

In 1852, the standards were revised to add more requirements:

Medical schools had to provide a 16-week course of instruction that included anatomy, medicine, surgery, midwifery, and chemistry
Graduates had to be at least 21 years of age
Students had to complete a minimum of 3 years of study, 2 years of which were under an acceptable practitioner
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 3:00 pm to
Sure, it's hard to draw analogies between medieval and modern degrees, but I think ancient and medieval medicine was more "scientific" than we give it credit for. Hippocrates, Galen, Maimonides, Avicenna, and Roger Bacon were not going around sacrificing goats.

After all, there are huge differences between many contemporary fields and medieval fields, including almost all humanities disciplines.
Posted by TMDawg
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 3:01 pm to
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Correct. They also compartmentalized theological and secular studies, so that religious beliefs didn't interfere with the pursuit of knowledge. The Christian West, by contrast, punished people for suggesting that the earth revolves around the sun.

Times have changed in that respect, to say the least.
Yea just a tad though we still stifle some things here as well. It is definitely interesting.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/8/15 at 3:03 pm to
just telling what I know, how many states were there in 1847? 1852? do you think they all acknowledged each others' fledgling "societies?"

ETA: also, if these requirements were implemented on such and such date, all of the predecessors that had been practicing but don't meet the overnight magic wand requirements would either be grandfathered, or be required to take an equivalency exam to be kosher
This post was edited on 3/8/15 at 3:15 pm
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