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Hate to say it but English language operas aren’t as good as itilian, German etc

Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:06 pm
TheCaw is a proud American and believes that English is the best language in the world but hates to say that Italian German and yes French operas are better then English

Maybe TheCaw is to familiar with the English language that the libretto dialog sounds stilted but it doesn’t make sense because regular songs in English are way better than songs in other languages to me but operas not the case

Maybe it was just the specific opera with English words I saw sucks but in general it seems those fruity European Romance languages are better for the opera art form
Posted by UncleRuckus
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:08 pm to
None of those other languages could produce a masterpiece like the JG Wentworth jingle
Posted by pbro62
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:09 pm to
Oh my
Posted by JetsetNuggs
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:10 pm to
Going out on a limb to say this isn’t the crowd for opera
Posted by graychef
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:10 pm to
Why would you hate to say this? Operas were written in an era dominated by Latin, Italian, German, and Russian languages. “Operas” written in English are musicals.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:11 pm to
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Why would you hate to say this? Operas were written in an era dominated by Latin, Italian, German, and Russian languages. “Operas” written in English are musicals.




This isn't entirely true.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:12 pm to
As an opera fan, I agree with theCAW.

ETA: But I am a big Henry Purcell fan.
This post was edited on 3/10/24 at 3:13 pm
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:16 pm to
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Maybe TheCaw is to familiar with the English language that the libretto dialog sounds stilted but it doesn’t make sense because regular songs in English are way better than songs in other languages to me but operas not the case

Opera is more about conveying emotion than dialogue. It’s why operas generally come with “books” explaining the plot. When you’re hearing an opera in English, the dialogue is distracting you from the emotion.

While Romance languages tend to be a bit more lyrical than English, I don’t think that’s the primary issue here.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:18 pm to
This is as bad a take as the baw who was ashamed to admit that he liked poke bowls.
Posted by pussywillows
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:19 pm to
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to familiar with the English language



i'm guessing that's not it...

and then there's this


quote:

itilian
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

itilian

Posted by Gaggle
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:19 pm to
I enjoy Purcell's King Arthur and Dido & Aeneas
Posted by Swamp Angel
Georgia
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:20 pm to
Italian opera is the touchstone for opera, but if we include works by Wagner then we begin to step away from traditional to more modern and furthermore we open the door to English and American "opera" that may include such things as Phantom of the Opera, Les Miserables, Chess, and even such lowly common trash as Cats.

I'd say that Les Miserables and Phantom were good, but they were copies of stories already told in prose. Chess, on the other hand, was a new story and a stand alone production. Cats should have resulted in the exile of Andrew Lloyd Weber from human association.

Some may make a distinction between opera and Broadway musicals, but in truth, there is little difference apart from the years each was produced. Both are written and produced to entice crowds from both the aristocracy and the more common man who is appreciative of artistic endeavor. Both were modern for their times and utilized contemporary instrumentation to play contemporary music to tell a story.

Of all the modern productions that "could" be considered opera, I would say that Chess best fits the bill, and while it wasn't as successful as something like Carmen, it was still a very sound offering to the public.
This post was edited on 3/10/24 at 3:21 pm
Posted by beaverfever
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:28 pm to
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Hate to say it but English language operas aren’t as good as itilian, German etc
This is literally the only thing I know about opera. Isn’t this like saying American soccer is inferior to European soccer?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:33 pm to
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Dido & Aeneas


Is awesome.
Posted by Mr Breeze
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 3:55 pm to
A bit of both English and Italian, mostly the later. Sarah Brightman & Andrea Bocelli. Brilliant.

Time To Say Goodbye

Posted by Solo Cam
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 4:08 pm to
What's this fig jibberish?
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 4:11 pm to
Opera lol
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

Why would you hate to say this?
because I’m proud to be an American and English is our language
Posted by theCAW
Polk County
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 3/10/24 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

Purcell's King Arthur and Dido & Aeneas
haven’t seen those but can say that the Shining is a much better movie then opera
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