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re: Has there ever been a communist leader who wasn't a terrible tyrant?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:40 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:40 am to Darth_Vader
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That’s why communists label anyone who isn’t a communist as “fascist.”
Yep.
Communists are some of the simplest people to lead into a cult. They'll believe anything. No individual values, no individual merit.
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:44 am to OMLandshark
quote:This is a great point. The only way this system can work is with a familial or tribal bond which transcends the perceptions of inequity of contribution. It requires people to willingly contribute a lot of effort.
Communism requires literally everyone to be on the same page and with a willful understanding that some people will be working harder than others to live under the same conditions.
But this cannot be implemented on a large scale without disproportionate use of force to terrorize people into grudgingly contributing.
This is just an evil model for societal organization.
But I saw Gorbachev and Yeltsin as two examples of men who made some efforts to soften this failing system and who tried to integrate the Soviet Union into the rest of the world, so they were not on the same level as Stalin.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:44 am to Oilfieldbiology
C.S. Lewis gets shite on nowadays because he was more a theologian than we are used to nowadays, but he has some really good and interesting takes.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 9:45 am to Spankum
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So, in theory, if elections were fair there could potentially be “nice” democratically elected leader over a society with a communistic economic system.
But in reality, it will never work. As I pointed out earlier, the only way communism can function as the ruling party is by squashing all political opposition. And the only way a ruling party can squash all political opposition is when that ruling party has totalitarian levels of power, especially if that ruling party intends to do things like seize people’s personal property or compel them to work at a certain job that person has no interest in working and then handing over to the government the fruits of that work. Most people will reject this unless their compelled to accept it at the end of a rifle.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:00 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:02 am to Cosmo
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Pinochet saved Chile
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:03 am to UFFan
The Marxist concept of communism is idealistic and would be a wonderful way to live. The only problem with it is human nature. Human nature is basically selfish. This is why the Stalinist view of communism has been the prevalent one for governing factions. Because it centralizes power, it will inevitably draw the power-hungry and corrupt. True believers will be pushed aside at the highest level, and you end up with a revolving door of dictators with few, if any, checks and balances.
If there is no incentive to excel, then most do the minimum; a few go above and beyond, and about an equal amount do as little as they can, nothing if possible, without it costing them anything.
If there is no incentive to excel, then most do the minimum; a few go above and beyond, and about an equal amount do as little as they can, nothing if possible, without it costing them anything.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:08 am to UFFan
Good or bad Mao Zedong has made China the powerful country it is today compared to wat it was before.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:16 am to non nobis solum
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:17 am to UFFan
The Popes always seem nice, except for the coverups and what not.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:22 am to non nobis solum
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Good or bad Mao Zedong has made China the powerful country it is today compared to wat it was before.
Bizarre take. The dude may have killed over 60 million of his own people.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:25 am to Master of Sinanju
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Stalin was pretty good at being a tyrant
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:25 am to OMLandshark
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And I’d say the actual most competent communist leader was Deng Xiaoping, because he saw communism for the disaster that it was and course corrected:
You'd be right, except that Deng in terms of his economic principles and philosophy was actually more of a fascist. Don't conflate fascism with Nazis. While the Nazis were fascists, they overlaid that with half-made-up pagan religion and BS racial theories.
Fascism is more about state control of the economy through "private" owners, and is closely related to the socialist democracies (a contradiction of terms, but I digress) as they are implemented now in Western Europe. Modern China is probably the closest thing to a pure fascist state in history, with some communist seasoning.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:29 am to TheRealTigerHorn
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:30 am to Darth_Vader
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Its an adversarial philosophy in which everyone is either a victim or abuser.
That’s why communists label anyone who isn’t a communist as “fascist.”
Which is the height of irony, since the two are closely related and on the same page in many details. They're both supposed to produce a "worker's paradise" with benevolent, wise overlords who rule based on "science", which, as we all know, is "settled".
Their main means of differentiation between the two is hate,
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:34 am to OMLandshark
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You'd be right, except that Deng in terms of his economic principles and philosophy was actually more of a fascist. Don't conflate fascism with Nazis. While the Nazis were fascists, they overlaid that with half-made-up pagan religion and BS racial theories.
Oh I’m aware. Just read my next post about Deng.
I was just trying to figure out if there was a way to give that post of yours more than one upvote. Nicely done.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:36 am to Darth_Vader
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Communism, by its nature, cannot exist as a ruling party without suppression of all political opposition.
Yeah, that tends to happen when you’re implementing a form of government that is counter to human nature.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:39 am to UFFan
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