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re: Has technology made us dumber, social media made us less social?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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society advances. you're looking at society today through the lenses of a person living 20+ years ago
your inability to understand the advancement of society, and your indirect rejection of that advancement (due to your inferior intelligence), is a great example of the flynn effect in action. that's how it works
language is changing. communication is changing. technology is evolving so fast that we're going to have an exponential increase in the flynn effect. in 20 years or so, i imagine that i won't even be able to fully understand the youths and young adults of our society
i'm going to look at their technology and be incapable of using it, b/c my brain will not be advanced enough
i hope that on that day i embrace the advancement of our race instead of making the irrational assumption that life peaked in 2014
Sounds like Colin Cowherd.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:40 am to lsufan9193969700
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You have NEVER seen this? I see this nearly every time I go to a restaurant.
shite, go to a coffee shop. Go anywhere and you'll find people head down and engrossed in social media, ignoring the IRL human beings all around them.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:40 am to Mike da Tigah
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I'm twice the guy in the video's age, and yet he gets it,
if he's older than about 32, he had his formative years in the pre-internet era, and his opinion is as worthless as your opinion (as technology really didn't advance much in that 20 years. i know b/c i grew up in that era, but i was an early adopter to new media. i have the advantage of seeing both sides and having both ingrained in me. as i stated earlier, i will not have such luck with the next age)
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Humans haven't evolved from being social people who need social interaction.
the whole point of social media is that we love social interaction. with technology, we can reach more people and have more people shower us with that social interaction-response.
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We will always be social creatures and you really don't get social skills from a screen
and you're wrong
especially as people rely more and more on being behind screens
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which explains the awkwardness you see in so many people today, especially younger, who are visibly uncomfortable and awkward in social settings
confirmation bias
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. I would attribute this to being so immersed in technology growing up and not being outside all day playing with kids in the neighborhood so that those skills are developed.
so when you hang around poor/lower class people and see their children interact with each other, you believe they are more socially advanced? you're saying the North BR culture is the one we should strive towards, as their progeny display advanced social skills?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:40 am to Mike da Tigah
it could easily be argued that kids are actually more social today
they can interact with more kids, from more locations, all at the same time
they can interact with more kids, from more locations, all at the same time
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:41 am to rintintin
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I would argue it's quite the contrary.
give a 2 year old (that has never used a computer) an ipad, and give a 65 year old (that has never used a computer) an ipad. which will work the ipad more efficiently and learn how to use it more quickly?
the 2 year old
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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his opinion is as worthless as your opinion
OK, this is a douchebag statement.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:44 am to Salmon
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they can interact with more kids, from more locations, all at the same time
exactly
i'll put this in other terms
people of mike's generation have a max of social circles of approximately 150 people
people of the generation younger than me have an exponentially larger # of people their brains can process in the social circle
they grew up in a new era that allowed their brain to develop advanced social constructs along with advanced intelligence fueling their perception and interactions, which allow their brains to expand their ability to literally comprehend friends
you don't make these sorts of major sociological advancements by being "dumber"
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:46 am to FightinTigersDammit
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OK, this is a douchebag statement.
no, it's not
mike's brain, literally, cannot comprehend new media b/c it is not advanced enough. very few people of his generation can, as they come from a past era of lesser intelligence. also, his idea of social constructs were formed in a a now ancient age that has little relevance to today. his brain refuses to adapt new ideas of these social constructs, both due to his generation's lesser intelligence as well as their protection of what they know. it's not due to any faults of his own.
all he can do is project the superiority of his own social construct and then use confirmation bias to show it's superior value.
i will be in the same boat in 20 years, because the same progress will occur. hell at this rate it may be 10
This post was edited on 5/4/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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they grew up in a new era that allowed their brain to develop advanced social constructs along with advanced intelligence fueling their perception and interactions, which allow their brains to expand their ability to literally comprehend friends
This reminds me of the '5000 dancing bananas' quote on here.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:47 am to Salmon
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it could easily be argued that kids are actually more social today they can interact with more kids, from more locations, all at the same time
And yet often can't talk to each other in person, displaying recluse or introverted type behavior when they actually interact with other human beings face to face. You can see this on display everywhere you go these days, and yes, as a person who's seen pre and post social media, there is a very noticeable difference in people who rely upon it for their socializing almost exclusively.
I use social media for one major thing, and that's to coordinate people to get together IRL, and some for business, but some live their entire lives behind a screen. It's become living to them, yet it's not really living life IMO.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:48 am to FightinTigersDammit
Normally, I'd agree that calling someones opinion worthless is a poor way to frame an arguement......
But MDT has made this thread a few times using new scraps of evidence to fit his perception.
But MDT has made this thread a few times using new scraps of evidence to fit his perception.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:ISWYDT
the opposite, actually
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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all he can do is project the superiority of his own social construct and then use confirmation bias to show it's superior value.
Which is exactly what you're doing.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:51 am to Mike da Tigah
The mouth breathers will hardly ever break the cycle so don't confuse them with people who use tech correctly. Social media has just changed how we connect. Not always for the better. It is only a decade old so give it some time to figure out it's place in life.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Being social = talking to and interacting with human beings.
We are a less social society now.
Facebook v. Direct communication
Text v. Phonecall
Etc
We are a less social society now.
Facebook v. Direct communication
Text v. Phonecall
Etc
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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mike's brain, literally, cannot comprehend new media b/c it is not advanced enough. very few people of his generation can, as they come from a past era of lesser intelligence. also, his idea of social constructs were formed in a a now ancient age that has little relevance to today. his brain refuses to adapt new ideas of these social constructs, both due to his generation's lesser intelligence as well as their protection of what they know. it's not due to any faults of his own.
all he can do is project the superiority of his own social construct and then use confirmation bias to show it's superior value.
i will be in the same boat in 20 years, because the same progress will occur. hell at this rate it may be 10
Proofs in the pudding. You can't talk to people like this IRL and be thought to have social skills, and that's what a faceless, nameless board gives you. It's the personal attack thing that drives it home, not the disagreeing. I don't ever take things personal with you, even when we disagree. That's a big problem and points to why people struggle to get along these days, and when they think they know it all, and are closed to other opinions, it just amps it up even more.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:52 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Which is exactly what you're doing.
i have science to back up my claims
The Flynn effect
Dumbar's number is irrelevant
Mike has nothing more than anecdotal, subjective observations that are fueled by confirmation bias
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:54 am to pwejr88
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Being social = talking to and interacting with human beings.
that has expanded with social media
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Facebook v. Direct communication
how is a facebook message not a direct communication?
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Text v. Phonecall
how is one less valuable than the other?
also, why did you start this with "phone call", when real social interaction wouldn't use technology at all
while you were a young whippersnapper using your phone, old people were saying what you just said, but criticizing talking on the phone. same argument, but different era/technology. obviously you disagreed with it then...but not now?
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:55 am to jmarto1
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The mouth breathers will hardly ever break the cycle so don't confuse them with people who use tech correctly. Social media has just changed how we connect. Not always for the better. It is only a decade old so give it some time to figure out it's place in life.
Agreed, and I'm not arguing against it as a tool, but it sure seems to me that many people use it as a replacement for actual human interaction than a means of getting together or keeping tabs on people. Properly used, I do see it as a net positive, but humans rarely have balance in these things, like most things in life.
Posted on 5/4/14 at 10:55 am to Mike da Tigah
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You can't talk to people like this IRL
i do. i just had this conversation irl on Monday night, in fact
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and be thought to have social skills,
how?
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It's the personal attack thing that drives it home, not the disagreeing
that's not a personal attack
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