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re: Harvey Weinstein to be charged with rape (Update in OP, Weinstein charged)
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:30 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:30 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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forced her to perform oral sex.
Fry him if true.
If false or a "blow me and I'll give you a part" and now she has buyer's remorse, then [by the court of public opinion] roast her.
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Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:31 am to Barbellthor
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If false or a "blow me and I'll give you a part" and now she has buyer's remorse, then [by the court of public opinion] roast her.
You really think they charged him for this specific instance if it were just like 20 other ones?
Stop being dumb, people.
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The two spoke for a bit and then, according to Evans, Weinstein pulled out his penis and forced her to perform oral sex on him inside the office.
'I said, over and over, "I don’t want to do this, stop, don’t,"' said Evans.
'I tried to get away, but maybe I didn’t try hard enough. I didn’t want to kick him or fight him.'
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 9:34 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:34 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
why would a high school girl seek out an old man?
The answer is she wanted something from him that was special.
The answer is she wanted something from him that was special.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:45 am to TH03
How is rape defined legally? When I think of rape, it is physically forcing someone down and raping. I am interested in seeing how the court views this. If the accuser wasn't physically forced to give him a bj, and she had an exit that could have been used, I am not sure the DA has a case.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:47 am to AUCE05
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If the accuser wasn't physically forced to give him a bj, and she had an exit that could have been used, I am not sure the DA has a case.
Did you not read the post you literally replied to?
She told him no and tried to get away.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 9:48 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:50 am to TH03
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You really think they charged him for this specific instance if it were just like 20 other ones?
Stop being dumb, people.
I don't know. As an example, prosecutors often only charge a few potential counts of child pornography, though the offender may have had thousands of files. It allows the prosecutors to focus resources/energy on the easiest to prove or more egregious acts while still getting a good jail sentence upon conviction. Or they only charge certain sex acts for the same reason or because prescription has run on other similar acts.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:53 am to Barbellthor
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. It allows the prosecutors to focus resources/energy on the easiest to prove
You do realize you're making my point for me?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:53 am to TH03
More of a general question on how rape is defined legally, to a point where someone can be sent to jail. That statement doesnt seem like enough evidence to convict.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:55 am to Barbellthor
Interesting. That makes sense. I guess as a DA rape evidence can be challenging, so you cherry pick the best evidence.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 9:56 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:04 am to AUCE05
Charged with 1st degree, 3rd degree, and criminal sex act.
In New York:
1st degree
3rd degree
Criminal sex act, 1st degree
Forcible compulsion as defined in NY Law
In New York:
1st degree
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130.35 Rape in the first degree.
A person is guilty of rape in the first degree when he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person:
1. By forcible compulsion; or
2. Who is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless; or
3. Who is less than eleven years old; or
4. Who is less than thirteen years old and the actor is eighteen years old or more.
3rd degree
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§ 130.25 Rape in the third degree.
A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when:
1. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person who is incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less than seventeen years old;
2. Being twenty-one years old or more, he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person less than seventeen years old; or
3. He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person without such person's consent where such lack of consent is by reason of some factor other than incapacity to consent.
Criminal sex act, 1st degree
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York Penal Code § 130.50 criminal sexual act in the first degree is defined as engaging in anal sex or oral sex with another person under one of the following conditions:
By forcible compulsion
With a person who is physically helpless
With a child who is less than 11 years old
With a child who is less than 13 years old and you are at least 18 years old.
Forcible compulsion as defined in NY Law
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8. "Forcible compulsion" means to compel by either: a. use of physical force; or b. a threat, express or implied, which places a person in fear of immediate death or physical injury to himself, herself or another person, or in fear that he, she or another person will immediately be kidnapped.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:04 am to TH03
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quote: . It allows the prosecutors to focus resources/energy on the easiest to prove You do realize you're making my point for me?
Honestly, I'm not really sure where we are in the conversation or what we're disagreeing on. Are you saying the instance they're charging him with must be different from other alleged instances?
I'm not really concerned whether it's the same as others or totally different. I'd just like the facts to come out and justice be brought to the responsible parties. I was just saying that often, prosecutors choose to pursue acts which are the same or substantially the same as a variety of other acts without charging the other acts. Therefore, yes, it could be that the prosecutors here are charging only this specific act which is not really much different than the others.
I mean, this isn't a rape apology thing. Again, fry the dude as appropriate if true.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:07 am to Barbellthor
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Honestly, I'm not really sure where we are in the conversation or what we're disagreeing on. Are you saying the instance they're charging him with must be different from other alleged instances?
You implied this might be a "blow him for the part then regret it later."
There's been a ton of women who came forward with that exact story. They chose to prosecute him for these 2.
I highly doubt they're prosecuting him for a blow job these girls just regret.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:14 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Coincidence or MORE????
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:14 am to jcole4lsu
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Rape is a bull shite charge unless violence was threatened. I didn’t read the damn article but if this is blow me for a part then she could’ve walked away.
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he was/is a fricking rapist. a fat, piece of shite, sexual predator.
I don't see anything wrong... he told actresses, if you want the part, give me sex. They did, and he gave em the part! Wtf is wrong with that? The women made a decision, how can he be faulted for that??? Just cuz the females had poor moral values, its his fault???? You may not agree with it, but that's your prerogative.... doesn't make it illegal or him a rapist. People should be responsible for themselves, even woman who agreed to be taken advantage of!
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:18 am to lake chuck fan
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I don't see anything wrong... he told actresses, if you want the part, give me sex. They did, and he gave em the part! Wtf is wrong with that? The women made a decision, how can he be faulted for that??? Just cuz the females had poor moral values, its his fault???? You may not agree with it, but that's your prerogative.... doesn't make it illegal or him a rapist. People should be responsible for themselves, even woman who agreed to be taken advantage of!
I love when people come in and show everyone they can't read.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:22 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:sadly, yes, one did. A black guy I've known for decades recently unfriended me on FB because I disagreed with his post stating exactly what I said, right after Cosby was convicted.
No they didn’t.
I wasn't going to say anything because he sometimes posts shite like that and I breeze past it, but one of his apparently even crazier buddies went on this rant about how the only reason Cosby did what he did was to fit in with the white establishment, who are apparently all about drugging and raping women.
So yes, they did tell me that, and worse. And these statements are supported by links to articles written by like minded people. I'm actually surprised that more people aren't aware of the tinfoil culture that is running around black communities. shite, listen to black talk radio and you'll get all you can stand in one day.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:24 am to blueboy
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A black guy
One person.
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shite, listen to black talk radio and you'll get all you can stand in one day.
Why would I want to do this?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:31 am to blueboy
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I'm actually surprised that more people aren't aware of the tinfoil culture that is running around black communities.
Says the guy who paints black ppl as pro Bill Cosby
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:34 am to TH03
Getting my back to the story at hand...
if the only two people in the room were Harvey and the woman and it happened in 2004... how the hell are they going to prove anything they are alleging? I mean she says I didn’t want to, he’ll say she did. How do you convict? I mean are they banking on preconceived notions of Harvey here?
if the only two people in the room were Harvey and the woman and it happened in 2004... how the hell are they going to prove anything they are alleging? I mean she says I didn’t want to, he’ll say she did. How do you convict? I mean are they banking on preconceived notions of Harvey here?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 10:45 am to TH03
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You implied this might be a "blow him for the part then regret it later."
There's been a ton of women who came forward with that exact story. They chose to prosecute him for these 2.
I highly doubt they're prosecuting him for a blow job these girls just regret.
To be sure, I implied this could be one of those scenarios. Not that I think this is necessarily the case, or that it's more likely than not that such is the case here. I'm simply saying that it's possible that this instance isn't any different than many of the others and the prosecutors are pursuing this particular instance for whatever reason, and not every single instance.
Incidentally, I agree with you that, most likely, this is a "legitimate" case to pursue and that it is not a "blow him for the part then regret it later" case. I'm just pointing out that it still could be that scenario. Whichever it turns out to be (prosecutors might be mistaken or not), I hope the perpetrator gets their just desserts.
Ultimately, I think we're on the same page.
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