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re: H R advice
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:16 pm to TigerGman
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:16 pm to TigerGman
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Of course you can. You don't have a clue what you're talking about Louisiana is an At-Will state.
At-will doesn’t mean free reign. You can’t give someone benefits and then fire them for taking said benefit, at will state or not. Try it and see what happens
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:16 pm to JonHarbaw
No way you should be leading anyone
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:19 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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At-will doesn’t mean free reign. You can’t give someone benefits and then fire them for taking said benefit, at will state or not. Try it and see what happens
"At will" employment means that your employment contract is terminable at will. A lot of people, including lawyers, believe that the term means there is no contract at all. If there wasn't a contract, then no one could enforce a pay claim.
Your employment-at-will example is interesting. There is no exception (at least in La.) to the at-will doctrine for someone fired for taking legitimate leave. It might morph into one, however, if the employee was black. How are you going to prove a "legitimate, non-discriminatory reason" for the termination if you fired him for taking something he had the right to take?
It would only be a violation of the employment contract if he wasn't paid for that day.
ETA: The best employer response, if the inclination was to fire the guy, would be to deny the leave and fire him for not showing up (assuming he does not show up).
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:23 pm to JonHarbaw
Why do you care why your employee wants off?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:29 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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At-will doesn’t mean free reign. You can’t give someone benefits and then fire them for taking said benefit, at will state or not. Try it and see what happens
L O L! Got a link?
Here's a clue before you desperately start searching Google all night:
That's EXACTLY what At Will means
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:30 pm to TigerGman
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That's EXACTLY what At Will means
No it doesn’t? What’s your professional experience in this area?
Edit: to be totally clear, your contestation is you can fire a person for any reason in an at will employment state? Yes or no question
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:32 pm to JonHarbaw
I knew a dude who took a week off because he thought about what life would be like when Mr. T passes away.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:32 pm to JonHarbaw
You hired him so what does that say about you?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:33 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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That's EXACTLY what At Will means
No it doesn’t? What’s your professional experience in this area?
Hah! Trust me, you don't want to know. I'll be patiently waiting for your link!
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:34 pm to TigerGman
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Hah! Trust me, you don't want to know. I'll be patiently waiting for your link!
So none, got it. As I expected
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:36 pm to TigerGman
Mingo just flips burgers and plays big shot on here with his made up shite. Pay him no attention.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:46 pm to JonHarbaw
You can get sued if you ask personal questions on why somebody wants to take a sick day, if he wants to use it for that, then let him do it
Sounds like you have some room to grow in your leadership skills
Sounds like you have some room to grow in your leadership skills
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:47 pm to JonHarbaw
How long has he been working? Does your employment contract dictate full access to vacation/pto immediately or is it accrued throughout the year? Why do you care why he wants to use one of his contractually given days of pto/vacation? If all you care about is the category he is using, make him use a vacation day instead of PTO, but this seems remarkably petty.
I would ADVISE you to be a better manager, and not give a good employee grief that has performed their job well, because they want to take time off. Otherwise, you'll probably finding yourself having to deal with giving a bad employee time off that you still disagree with the reason they want time off.
I would ADVISE you to be a better manager, and not give a good employee grief that has performed their job well, because they want to take time off. Otherwise, you'll probably finding yourself having to deal with giving a bad employee time off that you still disagree with the reason they want time off.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:47 pm to JonHarbaw
I don't think a twink in his mid twenties would even know who Val Kilmer is.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:54 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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So none, got it. As I expected
I'll check back here in a few hours, waiting for that link. Please don't disappoint me. I've had a long day dealing with the daily dead wrong idiots.
So I need to get a good night's sleep.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:56 pm to TigerGman
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I'll check back here in a few hours, waiting for that link. Please don't disappoint me. I've had a long day dealing with the daily dead wrong idiots. So I need to get a good night's sleep.
You still didn’t answer my extraordinary simple question. I can’t provide you a simple link to what you can and can’t fire people for in at will states. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would understand that.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:58 pm to JonHarbaw
Do you not give the dude pto?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:10 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I'll check back here in a few hours, waiting for that link. Please don't disappoint me. I've had a long day dealing with the daily dead wrong idiots. So I need to get a good night's sleep.
You still didn’t answer my extraordinarily simple question. I can’t provide you a simple link to what you can and can’t fire people for in at will states. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would understand that.
Dangit! That means I'll be up all night waiting then. Better go to the store and load up on coffee. Gonna need it to get through the day explaining things to morons who can't figure out how to search Google for what At-WIll means, and why you can still fire an at-will employee for taking a day off even when he has leave as company policy.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:12 pm to TigerGman
Yes or no question, to your original premise;
Can you fire an at will employee for any reason you deem necessary?
Can you fire an at will employee for any reason you deem necessary?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:12 pm to JonHarbaw
I mean…. Iceman and Doc Holliday were iconic characters
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