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re: Gun maker Remington to spend $100 million to move HQ from New York to Georgia

Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:24 am to
Posted by Emteein
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
3991 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:24 am to
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Why do you think they are moving?


Do they also make flame throwers? A shot gun may be effective, however flamethrower is weapon of choice when facing those eight legged demon creatures.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
14628 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:32 am to
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While you are at it, start making 870's and 1100's that are worth a shite again


Here here. If they can match the quality of the 1960’s 70’s and 80’s I’ll buy one of either. Maybe both.
Posted by ATLabama
Member since Jan 2013
1602 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:34 am to
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Call me crazy but if I’m moving to find conservative grounds for the future the state with Atlanta in it is not a top 5 choice


Metro-Atlanta is about as good as your gonna get in terms in terms of finding a balance of being in a conservative state with the resources necessary for a Fortune-500 company. Some would say Texas, but a lot of east coast folks may not want to make that far of a transition.

It’s a politically diverse state, which is a good thing. You don’t want to end up like parts of California… but let’s be real: Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana are redder than the blood hitting the soil in Gettysburg and they are dead last in virtually every metric of a successful society, so, having balance can be a good thing.
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6745 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:35 am to
Remington staying one step ahead of the inevitable national divorce proceedings.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30790 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:35 am to
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Call me crazy but if I’m moving to find conservative grounds for the future the state with Atlanta in it is not a top 5 choice.


bullshite. Prime time hunting, great weather, plenty of land. They just need to wall off atlanta, DC, San Fran, NYC etc and call them their own liberal territory.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26388 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:36 am to
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I get the joke, but let's face it: Present day LA isn't the most business friendly state out there....Our "leadership" can't get out of its own f**king way.


I don't understand why economic development is just not a top priority for the JBE regime.

Jindal had his faults, but they were aggressive at recruiting companies that could realistically operate successfully in Louisiana. They couldn't get around the tax structure issues without a major change in the state's constitution, but they could apply tax breaks with job goals like they did for IBM in Baton Rouge. That's not a traditional employer for Louisiana, whose economy is based on agriculture and energy. Louisiana came darn close to getting Hawker Beechcraft.

I'm okay with doing that if the company has skin in the game (like building a factory or office building). I'd even be okay with ad-hoc changes to road infrastructure to support new corporate investments if they are large enough.

The problem is that Edwards just isn't doing much of anything. The only real growth industry seems to be whatever these billboard lawyers are doing and sports betting. The infrastructure funding will help in the long term, but that's a federal package and every state is getting something.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 5:04 pm
Posted by ATLabama
Member since Jan 2013
1602 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:39 am to
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They just need to wall off atlanta, DC, San Fran, NYC etc and call them their own liberal territory.


I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a State’s balance sheet or income statement but if you did that, you’d be cutting off close to 70% of the state’s economic tax dollars… I know ideologies don’t align a lot, but, those cities are literally subsidizing many of the small, rural towns in the state.

I’ve always found this solution comical. People always bitch about having handouts, but most of the state’s towns live off the money of its largest cities.

It’s always fun to bitch and moan until the traffic lights don’t work and no-one is there to put out the fire.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26388 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:42 am to
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Metro-Atlanta is about as good as your gonna get in terms in terms of finding a balance of being in a conservative state with the resources necessary for a Fortune-500 company.


My vote would be Houston or arguably Phoenix. Low costs of living for such a massive city. Lots of jobs and not overtly "woke".

Atlanta demonstrated last summer that they might be going down the wrong path in a lot of ways that matter to residents. And I think the metro area itself can't support any more major suburban growth without a radical change in transportation and water infrastructure.

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Some would say Texas, but a lot of east coast folks may not want to make that far of a transition.


Houston is primarily oil and gas, but it's attracting a lot of businesses from the midwest (manufacturing) and the west coast (tech). Dallas is more into finance, which makes it a more direct competitor to the northeastern metros than Houston or Atlanta.

I would agree that Atlanta has more in common with the mid-Atlantic region than any of the sunbelt cities, which might make it more attractive to yankees.

That being said, gun manufacturers don't necessarily need to be located in the largest metro areas. These aren't massive Amazon-HQ2 style relocations with thousands of high skill, high tech jobs that don't currently exist in mid sized cities. Places like Knoxville, Huntsville, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, etc would be just fine for them if they wanted to move there. All of those could support 500-1000 manufacturing and HQ jobs pretty easily without causing a spike in regional labor costs.

These gun makers might have some trouble in smaller, more isolated towns like Jackson (TN) or Alexandria (LA)...but the bigger mid-sized metro areas with 500,000-1,000,000 or smaller towns that are in a cluster of of other smaller towns seem almost ideal for them.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 8:49 am
Posted by BPTiger
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2011
6033 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:50 am to
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If you go to their site they currently only make bolt action, pumps, and muzzleloaders.


Hence the slumping sales and bankruptcy.
Posted by Shexter
Prairieville
Member since Feb 2014
19134 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:50 am to
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I would expect this trend to continue.


But.... is it really a good trend? IMO, it's just making those liberal states that much more liberal and giving them more electoral votes in upcoming Presidential elections. It's also concentrating all the conservatives to fewer states.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26388 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 8:52 am to
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Hence the slumping sales and bankruptcy.



They are the General Motors of the firearm industry. Anything that isn't their core product is at risk for cancellation at any given moment.
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
15139 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:02 am to
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LaGrange, Georgia
frick. I haul a lot of loads for them and am not looking forward to spending more time on the 285 loop hauling explosives with the Atlanta psychos buzzing all around my truck. One of the reasons why I liked going up to utica to their old plant.
Posted by Chievster
WNC
Member since Aug 2020
113 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:06 am to
Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp famously pointed a shotgun at a kid in a campaign commercial when the Republican was seeking his current office in 2018.

There I fixed it for you
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
3163 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:08 am to
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quote:
The current company no longer makes the Bushmaster AR-15


If you go to their site they currently only make bolt action, pumps, and muzzleloaders. I must have missed the memo that they stopped making semi-auto altogether.


Remington outdoor company was auctioned off in pieces last year.

Jje holdings(palmetto state) bought the brands dpms/panther arms,h&r,storm lake barrels,parker, and aac suppressors.

Franklin armory bought the Bushmaster brand and some related assets.

Ruger bought the marlin firearms business.

Roundhill group bought the remington business.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72722 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:08 am to
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Wish one would choose the northshore, Baton Rouge, or even Shreveport.
I have a close personal friend who works for a State Economic Development agency in another Southern State.

According to that person, for a long while no other Southern US State fears losing a potential relocation or development to Louisiana.

Amazon came here only because they had to.

Did I say “shithole”?
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
38372 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:09 am to
From blue state to blue state, nice
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20427 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:10 am to
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Mississippi, Alabama, and Louisiana are redder than the blood hitting the soil in Gettysburg and they are dead last in virtually every metric of a successful society, so, having balance can be a good thing.


:eyeroll:
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26388 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:19 am to
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According to that person, for a long while no other Southern US State fears losing a potential relocation or development to Louisiana.



Depends if said relocation required access to a deep draft port or numerous natural gas pipelines. Mississippi wishes they had the industrial base that Louisiana's two largest cities have.

But Louisiana really struggles with durable goods manufacturing, tech, or corporate relocations. Even Mississippi is doing a fantastic job with automobile manufacturing, and those typically don't pollute like the types of industries that locate to Louisiana do. Memphis has more Fortune 500 headquarters than the entire state of Louisiana. That's really frustrating to see even though I'm a fan of Tennessee and Mississippi.
This post was edited on 11/9/21 at 9:22 am
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
38372 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:21 am to
You don’t have to like what he’s saying but it’s 100% accurate
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 9:31 am to
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I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a State’s balance sheet or income statement but if you did that, you’d be cutting off close to 70% of the state’s economic tax dollars… I know ideologies don’t align a lot, but, those cities are literally subsidizing many of the small, rural towns in the state.


Who do you think lasts longer if they built a wall around the city?

The people that make the food and make the stuff.

Or the people that move numbers around.
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