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"Green Hydrogen" production coming to Baton Rouge area
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:32 am
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:32 am
The Advocate
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Olin Corp., a Missouri-based company with a presence in the Baton Rouge area, has signed an agreement with New York-based Plug Power Inc. to produce green hydrogen at Olin’s chlor alkali facility in St. Gabriel.
The St. Gabriel facility will produce 15 tons per day of green hydrogen once the joint venture is up and running by 2023, according to a news release from Olin and Plug Power. Olin will produce the hydrogen while Plug Power will market it to potential buyers and deliver it across the country.
The news release claims the joint venture is a first-of-its-kind partnership in the emerging green hydrogen sector.
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Olin also operates a site at Dow’s Hydrocarbons complex in Plaquemine where chlorine gas leaked into nearby neighborhoods and sent some residents to local hospitals. Olin's St. Gabriel facility also leaked chlorine in a 2017 incident.
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:34 am to frequent flyer
The stock is below its 52 week low, too.
Buy!
Buy!
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:41 am to frequent flyer
Louisiana is well situated for this industry "if" green hydrogen can become price competitive.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 9:41 am to frequent flyer
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What is green hydrogen good for?
Green hydrogen in industry
One use is in the chemical industry for manufacturing ammonia and fertilisers. While its second main use is in the petrochemical industry to produce petroleum products.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:14 am to Blutarsky
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The stock is below its 52 week low, too
I like where your head is at but I don't think most people realize how complicated switching fuel sources to green H2 will be. One, you have to be able to generate enough energy from wind and solar to power the green H2 process. Two, we have to redo our infrastructure to burn H2. NG pipelines and burners won't work for H2. You also create more NOx burning H2 so we'll have to have facilities to treat that. Also, industry uses offgas in their boilers/furnaces as fuel. That offgas will need to go somewhere. In "net-zero world" it would be used for fuel for Blue Hydrogen facilities.
I'm all for it but I wouldn't invest any money that you'll be needing anytime soon.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:17 am to Tigers13
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Two, we have to redo our infrastructure to burn H2.
Nah, they aren’t using it as fuel, they are using it to make green ammonia and green diesel.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:45 am to Tigers13
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You also create more NOx burning H2 so we'll have to have facilities to treat that.
I’m with you on the overall premise that Olin probably isn’t a diamond in the rough stock opportunity.
That being said, isn’t green hydrogen extremely pure since it’s produced via electrolysis? Why would green hydrogen generate more NOx emissions?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 10:50 am to Shexter
The petrochemical industry brings inherent risk. That’s the price of a robust economy. We could go back to an agrarian economy and do without modern conveniences we enjoy.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:17 am to Oilfieldbiology
Bingo. Green hydrogen fed to ammonia plants to make green ammonia. Which, incidentally, won’t actually be used as fertilizer. It’ll be used as a liquid fuel source since it is much easier to handle/transport than hydrogen.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:41 am to Shexter
Lmao might as well set up a unicorn fart and fairy dust plant while they're at it
Posted on 5/17/22 at 11:45 am to frequent flyer
sounds like a good place to dump empty beer and coke cans.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:53 pm to lostinbr
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Why would green hydrogen generate more NOx emissions?
When you burn anything, it forms NOx emissions. To burn, you have to mix with air which is where the nitrogen and oxygen comes from. H2 will burn at a higher temp causing more NOx which is a precursor for ozone/smog.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:03 pm to ScopeCreep
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Bingo. Green hydrogen fed to ammonia plants to make green ammonia. Which, incidentally, won’t actually be used as fertilizer. It’ll be used as a liquid fuel source since it is much easier to handle/transport than hydrogen.
Let’s break this down for the paste eaters:
Electricity is generated through “green” means to purify the water to a point that it won’t foul the electrodes, then additional “green” electricity is used to separate the H2 from the O. Additional electricity is used to compress the H2 to a dense enough form for efficient transport to ammonia facilities where additional energy is used to combine the “green” H2 to N to make “green” NH3. This “green” NH3 is then transported to some form of energy generation facility as liquid fuel to produce “green” electricity.
In what fricking world does this make a lick of sense?
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:20 pm to Oilfieldbiology
I’ve argued for some time now that it’s nothing more than the equivalent of getting to the top and pulling the ladder up behind yourself.
This green energy situation is doing nothing more than making the barriers to entry into the market entirely insurmountable. No new players will ever be able to compete unless there is a serious change in the chemical process to make a highly transportable fuel source. And I don’t imagine that NH3 is going to be supplanted nor will the chemistry change. So here we are.
Add to that the knock-on effects of what this will do to fertilizer prices and how that impacts food supply… the possibilities are pretty scary. I don’t understand how this is at all sustainable but I also don’t get paid to figure that out.
This green energy situation is doing nothing more than making the barriers to entry into the market entirely insurmountable. No new players will ever be able to compete unless there is a serious change in the chemical process to make a highly transportable fuel source. And I don’t imagine that NH3 is going to be supplanted nor will the chemistry change. So here we are.
Add to that the knock-on effects of what this will do to fertilizer prices and how that impacts food supply… the possibilities are pretty scary. I don’t understand how this is at all sustainable but I also don’t get paid to figure that out.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:22 pm to ScopeCreep
What I don’t get is if they want green energy, why go through all the process to make green H2 or NH3, just make the green energy locally.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:29 pm to frequent flyer
Oh look. We found a new black hole to throw taxpayer money into.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:30 pm to frequent flyer
"Green" hydrogen is kind of misleading. The "green" part sends the message that the hydrogen production is not made from fossil fuels and made by the electrolysis of water. (It's also going to be an oxygen generation plant too.)
If the electricity is coming from a nuclear power plant, hydro, wind or solar then it's truly green hydrogen. If the electricity is coming from a natural gas or coal powered electric plant then it's really not green.
Nonetheless this is good news. Hopefully they have a solid market for hydrogen and oxygen.
If the electricity is coming from a nuclear power plant, hydro, wind or solar then it's truly green hydrogen. If the electricity is coming from a natural gas or coal powered electric plant then it's really not green.
Nonetheless this is good news. Hopefully they have a solid market for hydrogen and oxygen.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:32 pm to Oilfieldbiology
That part actually makes a little bit of sense. It entirely comes down to distribution costs. It is MUCH cheaper and easier to ship ammonia all over the world than it is to transmit electricity even over short to moderate distances.
Power generation is also a nastier business than ammonia generation. Much easier to permit, construct, and operate.
And I seem to recall something like only 35% of energy input for green NH3 is recoverable. Some bean counter has done the math and figured out a way to profit but that’s a depressing reality.
Power generation is also a nastier business than ammonia generation. Much easier to permit, construct, and operate.
And I seem to recall something like only 35% of energy input for green NH3 is recoverable. Some bean counter has done the math and figured out a way to profit but that’s a depressing reality.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:40 pm to GumboPot
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the electricity is coming from a nuclear power plant, hydro, wind or solar then it's truly green hydrogen. If the electricity is coming from a natural gas or coal powered electric plant then it's really not green.
That’s called blue hydrogen as it’s not created directly from fossil fuels, just energy generated from it.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:40 pm to ScopeCreep
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Some bean counter has done the math and figured out a way to profit
Tax breaks and government incentives
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