re: GM immediately cuts benefits for striking workers; UAW triggered

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Only pussies are afraid to be a single individual negotiating against a multibillion dollar international corporation. What, are you and all the resources your $19.50 an hour wage can afford afraid of a fair fight with General Motors Corp.?

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Like I've mentioned several times in this thread, the union - any union - is really only useful for the median or lower worker. That person/group is benefited by having their productivity lumped in with the better performing workers.

Unions benefit the old worker and the bad worker. They're bad for the new worker and the good worker. They've got no incentive to negotiate on behalf of people who aren't even members yet, and their design suppresses wages of the top workers.

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Sure they are, they also don't mind replacing every one of the cats making 35 bucks an hour with a guy making 20.

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If they can both do the job I would too

The concept of market value is lost on union people.

ETA: not all unions.

I’m not into foreign cars, so I really don’t care what they do. I buy American made.

Just checked FB while taking a shite and came across a post from GM. The comments were filled with whining, crying UAW workers howling about how GM is so unfair shutting down their healthcare among other things. So what if GM has the right to do so.

And of course plenty of howling about how GM is making so much money and they should share it with it's employees. Bunch of communists.

Not one understands that the UAW agreements from '71 and on are the reason the domestic industry needed a bailout in '08. They want to go right back to the same thing.

btw-Some also have the gall to claim they are doing this for the temp workers. bullshite. People only look at what is best for themselves. Saw this in the railroad unions when the old heads voted in new hire agreements that gave lower pay and removed work rules for the young guys while keeping their own cushy agreements.

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Sometimes Peej is right.

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He has been on quite the prediction winning streak lately.

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I’m not into foreign cars, so I really don’t care what they do. I buy American made.

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You're clueless, typical union worker.

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What's really needed is to break up the government unions. Teacher's unions should NOT exist

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I halfway agree with you. My wife (not a teacher) worked for a few different school systems here. First in accounting at a local high school. Then she took a board job with another school system. Someone there warned her that they treated this position as temporary. Here it is 3 years and you get tenured. Sure enough around 32 months they let her go. The school year ended and if she worked through the summer she would have been tenured. She took off for a few months then found a job at another school and then transferred to their board after a school year.

All this time she had never joined a union. We were expecting our second child in June the year she would have been tenured. I think she started in August when the school year started and if she went on maternity leave she was guaranteed her job when she came back and they would have to have cause to let her go. Teacher contracts ended on June 30 each year.

Typically the employee turnover occurred at the end of a school year or this June 30 contract date. They tried to get rid of her in early late April or early May, and got rid of another employee at the same time to try and hide it. The leader of another department hired her to work for her until she got to her maternity leave. When she returned from that she was tenured. It is just a shady practice by school systems to basically rent someone for 2.5 years then let them go. And the process just repeats itself where the teacher or employee moves to another system.

Like I said she had never been in a union until this happened, but she joined one for their legal help on fighting against her employer for discrimination. It wasn’t that she was a bad employee. Quite the opposite. A few months after she returned from maternity leave and had her tenure, she was promoted to director of her department and her pay more than doubled. So while I agree that in most instances a teachers union isn’t necessary, in some cases it is beneficial when the school system is just using someone temporarily and hiring a college grad to replace them every three years.

Why does anyone deserve tenure?

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Why does anyone deserve tenure?

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I don’t think they do, but the school systems abuse it since it is there. Our neighbor is a middle school teacher and since they moved in they’ve shared stories similar to my wife’s. She went through two school systems before she landed in ours and has been here more than a decade now. My daughters 1st grade teacher was fresh out of college and doing her student teaching. They tried to let her go after two years as well. Now she’s a Principal. It isn’t being used properly here. Nothing about job performance, just a way to keep salaries down. Great employees aren’t rewarded, rather let go to bring in the next crop of college graduates. But if you somehow survive that first three years, then you are rewarded based on your work. It’s all backwards to me. I think they would want to keep high performing employees but they don’t even consider that until someone is tenured.