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re: GM immediately cuts benefits for striking workers; UAW triggered
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:19 am to 777Tiger
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:19 am to 777Tiger
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I'm looking at him in your post.
When I first learned that, my reaction was 'That can't be right. It can't be him and he can't be the only one.' But, it's true.
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:21 am to member12
Ford is my main customer here. They have been talking about a possible early October strike for their UAW workers for a few weeks now. We’ll see.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:22 am to TigerstuckinMS
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I think it comes down to whether or not your worldview skews individualist and you rely on yourself and your own wits or collectivist and you rely on the wits of the group.
This would be a fair point if corporations didn't have a host of lobbyists they can contract with to grease the legal and political wheels for them to take further advantage of workers.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:27 am to Janky
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do the unionized companies understand the value of its highly skilled workers and treat them fairly?
it depends on the corporate climate/ideology, which is set by the CEO
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, it also recognizes that putting a screw in a hole and turning a screwdriver doesn't warrant $63/hour.
as far as my personal experience it is rarely about that, it's usually safety issues, trying to stave off outsourcing of work, erosion of health benefits, etc., as posted earlier, every group has it's problem children, but as far as the stereotypical knuckle dragging Neanderthal that wants to "stick it to the man," I have never seen that, our guys know that the company has to be profitable for this to be the job that it is, the unions just serve as a means of check and balance because the other side has more than their share of knuckle dragging Neanderthals that tend to want to go overboard in some areas, particularly when they are aspiring to move up the corporate ladder
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:28 am to TigerstuckinMS
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When I first learned that, my reaction was 'That can't be right. It can't be him and he can't be the only one.' But, it's true.
he did a lot of good for this country, made some tough decisions, but he was very much the politician/chameleon(actor)
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:33 am to The Spleen
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This would be a fair point if corporations didn't have a host of lobbyists they can contract with to grease the legal and political wheels for them to take further advantage of workers.
Yep, that's the main goal of all corporations. SCREW THE WORKERS! Forget about making a profit, being viable, or producing a quality product or service. Gotta take advantage of the workers!
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:37 am to greygoose
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SCREW THE WORKERS! Forget about making a profit, being viable, or producing a quality product or service. Gotta take advantage of the workers!
there have been several in my industry whose objective was just that, they were willing take down the whole ship just to get their way, one was so bad that the Feds fired him from his own company and barred him from the industry for life
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:42 am to greygoose
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Yep, that's the main goal of all corporations. SCREW THE WORKERS!
No, their main goal is maximizing profits, and one way to achieve that goal is taking advantage of workers. Congrats for I guess never having to work in such an environment, but it's fairly common.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:44 am to The Spleen
Here we go.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:46 am to pioneerbasketball
quote:Actually, I was born into a union household with maybe a plastic spoon in my mouth.
The posters that are anti-union are the ones that were born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:46 am to Janky
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Here we go.
these threads always seem to have a half life
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:50 am to 777Tiger
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there have been several in my industry whose objective was just that, they were willing take down the whole ship just to get their way, one was so bad that the Feds fired him from his own company and barred him from the industry for life
Your anecdote concerns an individual. My comment addressed the corporate mindset. That's like me saying all airplane mechanics are dirtbags, because that guy tried to sabotage an airplane the other day.
It's very common think with union workers, that the "company" is always out to get them.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:55 am to greygoose
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Your anecdote concerns an individual.
Frank Lorenzo
Carl Icahn
Victor Posner
Kirk Kerkorian
Saul Steinberg
and an OT fav: T. Boone Pickens, et al, et al, et al
it's not an isolated anecdote
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 8:56 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:55 am to The Spleen
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and one way to achieve that goal is taking advantage of workers
Not if you can't find workers.
There's a reason some companies pay well and have good benefits, and it has nothing to do with unions.
Union membership ties you to the lowest performers.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:55 am to The Spleen
quote:Then they would hire all women so that they could reduce their payroll by 30%, supposedly.
No, their main goal is maximizing profits, and one way to achieve that goal is taking advantage of workers.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:01 am to jnethe1
American Factory. It’s about the Fuyao Glass Company buying the old defunct GM Moraine plant in Ohio that closed in 2008.
All those folks were UAW members that lost their jobs. A lot of them finally got rehired at Fuyao. And guess what? They want the UAW again. Morons.
All those folks were UAW members that lost their jobs. A lot of them finally got rehired at Fuyao. And guess what? They want the UAW again. Morons.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:04 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There's a reason some companies pay well and have good benefits, and it has nothing to do with unions.
For sure. There are a lot of companies that treat their workers fairly and pay well that are not unionized. There are also unions out there that do a crappy job representing their members. I didn't intend to get sucked into a debate on the merits of unions, though I am generally pro-union.
I just reject the notion that unions are bad because of some notion of individualism. There are countless organziations out there that act as quasi-unions for corporations and seek to influence laws and public policy beneficial to them. Why shouldn't workers have that same representation fighting for them?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:10 am to The Spleen
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Why shouldn't workers have that same representation fighting for them?
Name an organization, outside of government, that has been as historically corrupt as unions. Union leadership does not care about the members. They only care about the dues.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:12 am to 777Tiger
Are there any white collar unions? Any accounting unions? Plastic surgeon unions? EE unions? I'm an ME, and I've never had anyone offer to get me into a union, even though I work in the same or worse conditions union guys work in. I'd rather shitty workers get fired tbh. I don't want to work with them, because they slow me down and give out bad info.
I do know that the UAW has a lot of other plants under their control than just automobile plants. They rep food, paper, chemical, etc. They'll snatch up anything they can get. Exact same thing goes on every few years at those plants as well. It usually is about higher pay, more OT, and more vacation
I do know that the UAW has a lot of other plants under their control than just automobile plants. They rep food, paper, chemical, etc. They'll snatch up anything they can get. Exact same thing goes on every few years at those plants as well. It usually is about higher pay, more OT, and more vacation
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:13 am to Hammertime
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Are there any white collar unions?
ABA
ADA
AMA, et al
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