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re: Given the choice would you prefer to work in the Pacific or European WW2 theater?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:34 am to Shiftyplus1
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:34 am to Shiftyplus1
quote:Unless you happened to be Jewish or a Russian woman
Germans or Italians will take you prisoner, and treat you relatively well and according to the Geneva convention.
quote:this kind of attitude is what lead us to drop an atomic bomb on the Japanese when it really wasn't needed because they were about to surrender
The Nazis did some truly bad shite, but the Japanese military from the top down were a bunch of inhuman animals
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Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:38 am to rallyTiger
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this kind of attitude is what lead us to drop an atomic bomb on the Japanese when it really wasn't needed because they were about to surrender
Then why didn’t they surrender after the first one?
Better yet, why did they refuse to surrender after we warned them before we even dropped the first one?
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 8:42 am
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:47 am to DavidTheGnome
Army. Without a doubt. I'd want to be assigned to the European Theater where I'd have a fair chance to kill some nazi sons of britches. I'd want to ruin a whole bunch of Nazi Mama's days. Assuming, of course, they didn't kill me first and ruin MY mama's day.
The Pacific Theater? The Marines did a damn fine job with that. By all accounts that was hell. Major respect to the Marines.
The Pacific Theater? The Marines did a damn fine job with that. By all accounts that was hell. Major respect to the Marines.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:52 am to DavidTheGnome
Army Air Corps in Europe you were fairly screwed, especially if you found yourself in a B-17. And the opposite in the Pacific is that you were more so screwed if you were in a fighter.
I'd hate to be infantry in the Pacific theater. If I could specifically pick infantry in the Italy Campaign that is probably your best bet to survive.
I'd hate to be infantry in the Pacific theater. If I could specifically pick infantry in the Italy Campaign that is probably your best bet to survive.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:55 am to rallyTiger
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this kind of attitude is what lead us to drop an atomic bomb on the Japanese when it really wasn't needed because they were about to surrender
They were not. There was a big divide between the Japanese Military and the Imperial family, who could have surrender way before the first bomb. Not to mention they had fair chance to surrender even after the first bomb was dropped.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 8:55 am to stratman
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Army. Without a doubt. I'd want to be assigned to the European Theater where I'd have a fair chance to kill some nazi sons of britches. I'd want to ruin a whole bunch of Nazi Mama's days. Assuming, of course, they didn't kill me first and ruin MY mama's day.
The Pacific Theater? The Marines did a damn fine job with that. By all accounts that was hell. Major respect to the Marines.
You were more likely to die as an infantryman in Europe than if you were either Army or Marine infantry in the Pacific.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:19 am to DavidTheGnome
What was the deal with so many American bomber pilots dying in Europe? Or was it Pacific? Weren’t us and England the best Air Force or was that not the case back then?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:31 am to DavidTheGnome
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For me I think I’d want to be part of a bombing crew and would want to pick the Pacific.
Not so sure about that. That is a lot of water to cover and if your plane goes down, the chances of rescue are slim. My Grandfather was a bombardier on a B-29 who went from the CBI to the PTO stationed at Tinian. Said the long trips over water scared him to death. Lot of great stories from him. The worst for him was having to nurse a crippled plane back that had 408 holes in it - along with 1 dead crewman and another wounded - over all that water.
However, I'll agree with your point - going down in the ETO most like meant heading to a Stalag, and the 8th AF lost some 20K in bombers alone. Not good stuff.
My choice? P-51 pilot in the ETO or a Corsair pilot in the Pacific.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 9:35 am
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:32 am to windshieldman
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What was the deal with so many American bomber pilots dying in Europe? Or was it Pacific? Weren’t us and England the best Air Force or was that not the case back then?
Have to look at the air defenses. Germany was far above and beyond Japan in that sense. Bomber formations had to fly level which gave the '88s a great target, and let's not forget the Luftwaffe.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:40 am to DavidTheGnome
Dose of reality:
My Father was in both. First he was with the group who forecast the weather for the invasion of Normandy. Having done that successfully, he was then assigned to the South Pacific theater.
My Father was in both. First he was with the group who forecast the weather for the invasion of Normandy. Having done that successfully, he was then assigned to the South Pacific theater.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:40 am to rallyTiger
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this kind of attitude is what lead us to drop an atomic bomb on the Japanese when it really wasn't needed because they were about to surrender
What kind of bullshite is this?
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:54 am to DavidTheGnome
Europe and it’s not even close. Bastogne was hell on Earth with the cold and carnage, but other than that and D Day, things weren’t terrible.
frick getting shot down over or sunk in the Pacific.
frick getting shot down over or sunk in the Pacific.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 9:58 am to DavidTheGnome
European and it's not even close. No malaria, prisoners of war were probably treated a little better, and not as many insane / mind warped civilians trying to stab you with broom sticks.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:00 am to windshieldman
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What was the deal with so many American bomber pilots dying in Europe? Or was it Pacific? Weren’t us and England the best Air Force or was that not the case back then?
They were slow moving, heavily armored airplanes. Technically a lot of the bombers could fly higher than the flack, but they figured out they couldn't hit a goddamn thing doing that, so into the breach.
It's not like they could get into dog fights with the German fighters, and if you watch historical videos, you'll see just how much flack they were throwing up there.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:01 am to rallyTiger
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this kind of attitude is what lead us to drop an atomic bomb on the Japanese when it really wasn't needed because they were about to surrender
Lulz. They literally had an attempted military coup after we dropped the first one because they wanted to keep fighting.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:02 am to DavidTheGnome
Everyone always says Europe but if you go by the stats you were more likely to die in the European theater. Those Germans were a nasty bunch.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:04 am to VolsOut4Harambe
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Europe and it’s not even close. Bastogne was hell on Earth with the cold and carnage, but other than that and D Day, things weren’t terrible.
Again, this simply isn’t true. Infantry divisions fighting in Europe suffered higher casualty rates than those of either the Marines or Army in the Pacific. As I pointed out earlier, if the division that suffered the highest casualties in the Pacific (1st Marine Div) had suffered the same number of casualties in Europe, it would have ranked 8th or 9th on the list of divisions with the most casualties, just behind a National Guard Division, I believe the 35th Infantry if memory serves me correctly.
Infantry Divisions in Europe in general stayed in combat longer and suffered higher casualty rates than Marine or Army divisions in the Pacific.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 10:06 am
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:10 am to Darth_Vader
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Infantry Divisions in Europe in general stayed in combat longer and suffered higher casualty rates than Marine or Army divisions in the Pacific.
This. In the PTO, after an island was secured, the landing unit was replaced and sent off for a little R&R until the next time. Not like a constant march, pretty much, across Europe.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:12 am to Flynn2Bryd
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Apparently Army Air Corps had once of the highest mortality rates...catch me in the army in europe
2nd highest. Submarine Service was first
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:15 am to Cold Drink
I'd choose to be a naval aviator. Wreaking havoc on the fighting force that bombed Pearl Harbor would bring me immense satisfaction
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